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A 7 Day Ban For Spartacus

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John Pierce

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Despite my repeated requests, the fighting here continues. I have banned Spartacus for 7 days and hope that when he comes back, he will be more civil.

There are others who have been almost as disruptive and I offer this one warning. No more of the sniping or I will dispense bans.

Let's get back to discussing open carry and stop spending every waking moment attacking each other.

Thanks.


John
 

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I guess we have a week to see if a ban helps the Wis. forum stay on track...
 

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A very good move and hopefully it will do some good but I am very pessimistic about that. The troll word has been thrown around quite a lot lately but frankly I am having a hard time deciding exactly who are the trolls. In quite a few cases it almost appears that some who are tossing the term around quite loosely need to look in the mirror to see the troll. If you feed a troll then you risk becoming one yourself. There has been way too much troll feeding going on lately.
 
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McX

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i am disappointed, i will miss my sword wielding friend, his thoughts and ideas.
 

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Arm yourself with knowledge

I guess we have a week to see if a ban helps the Wis. forum stay on track...

I'm sure it will help, but we have to learn to moderate ourselves and learn how to deal with trolls. Go to this website to learn and find out information like the following quotes:

Why do trolls do it?

I believe that most trolls are sad people, living their lonely lives vicariously through those they see as strong and successful.

Disrupting a stable newsgroup gives the illusion of power, just as for a few, stalking a strong person allows them to think they are strong, too.

For trolls, any response is 'recognition'; they are unable to distinguish between irritation and admiration; their ego grows directly in proportion to the response, regardless of the form or content of that response.

Trolls, rather surprisingly, dispute this, claiming that it's a game or joke; this merely confirms the diagnosis; how sad do you have to be to find such mind-numbingly trivial time wasting to be funny?

Remember that trolls are cowards; they'll usually post just enough to get an argument going, then sit back and count the responses (Yes, that's what they do!).

Where are you likely to find trolls?

Wherever they are tolerated - this means forums and networking sites that have loose or lazy moderation, and places like Usenet (newsgroups) where there may be no moderation at all.

Where trolls are successful is a slightly different issue - some forums allow members to set an 'ignore' function, so they just do not see troll posts, after the first one, and some specialist forums are tightly focused so that troll posts stick out a mile and are ignored - it's larger, more general forums that have issues, as it only takes a couple of members to be drawn in for the whole forum to suffer. They also thrive on 'opinion' sites, such as politics and religion, where feelings often run high anyway. But, again, only if moderation is weak.

Usenet has a special problem, as moderation is impossible; for trolls to be controlled, requires committed members using their killfiles effectively, and avoiding accidental cross-posting - which is all too easy with many newsreading software setups.

Some career trolls have set up their [own] forums to exchange notes. These rarely thrive, as most trolls are not team players, and they simply fight among themselves. in other cases, they become centers for cyberbullying (see stalking); while that's a sad development, it makes it easier to have the sites closed.
 
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I am using this opportunity to also do some introspection. We all need to think before we hit the 'submit' button. Does what we just typed need to be said? If it isn't OC related, should it be sent? If it isn't WI related, should it be sent? I'm not saying we can't and shouldn't stand up for ourselves, however, sometimes it makes us look like 'trolls' as well.

So..... Let's all take a step back and see if we can all be a little more civil.

We have a GREAT opportunity in the next 6 months to move the ball forward, let's fight the real enemy, not each other, even though sometimes it's fun.
 
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sigh, i guess i'll have to be the one to make sure Sparticus is fed while he's shuttered in his cage. I need some newspapers for the floor in there too.
 

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There are others who have been almost as disruptive and I offer this one warning. No more of the sniping or I will dispense bans.

JOHN, I do not believe you.

You gave 'Fair Warning' months ago. Instead of following through with it, you gave Spartacus a license to behave the way he does. You began to completely delete his threads to remove any evidence that he had broken a rule. Entire threads dissappeared. I feel that type of moderating in unethical.

You just banned him for seven days, TODAY! How does that old saying go, "A day late and a dollar short". One day and one dollar? It's alot worse than that.

BAN ME, SO I CAN'T COME BACK.
 

Gray Peterson

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JOHN, I do not believe you.

You gave 'Fair Warning' months ago. Instead of following through with it, you gave Spartacus a license to behave the way he does. You began to completely delete his threads to remove any evidence that he had broken a rule. Entire threads dissappeared. I feel that type of moderating in unethical.

You just banned him for seven days, TODAY! How does that old saying go, "A day late and a dollar short". One day and one dollar? It's alot worse than that.

BAN ME, SO I CAN'T COME BACK.

Why don't you just don't come back? You're an adult, and engaging in childish foot stamping doesn't endear you. If you don't like the way John deals with things in his house, then there's the door. Spare the board you righteous indignation and false claims of ethical lapses. This is his board. You don't like it, again, there's the door. *points at the door*

Also, here's a clue, vBulletin software allows one to moderate a thread or individual posts. What you perceive as deleted may not actually be deleted. It gets "moderated" or "unapproved", and it disappears from view except by the moderator team. Also, users can be moderated to where nothing they post appears until approved.
 

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Nice signature jackwagon, way to label a group of people!
There are more effective ways to address that, as opposed to resorting to attack.

and.....

No more of the sniping or I will dispense bans.
Let's get back to discussing open carry and stop spending every waking moment attacking each other.
Thanks.
John
 
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