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    What will WAVE's strategy be?

    WAVE is the only Wisconsin anti-gun specific organization, but they have gotten other organizations to buy into their lies to lobby against constitutional firearm rights. Their leading "partner" is the Wisconsin Police Chiefs Association. Where does your local police chief stand on the issue? The police chiefs will be doing a lot of talking about the need rigid requirements for the sake of "officer safety", even though farming is a more dangerous occupation than police work.

    WAVE will also get the anti-domestic violence organizations involved on their behalf, even though anyone under a DV restraining order cannot legally have a firearm.

    http://www.womenslaw.org/laws_state_...&state_code=WI

    WAVE will bring up the issue of suicide by gun, even though relevant studies indicates that firearm availability measures are significantly and positively associated with rates of firearm suicide, but have no significant association with rates of total suicide.

    http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvsuic.html

    WAVE will have relatives and friends of gun homicides testify with heart breaking stories. What they won't tell you is how many of these homicides are gang related.

    http://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/Ga...News?st=WI&p=7

    The pro-gun community is up against the Joyce Foundation (WAVE being its Wisconsin operating division) which wants to bring Chicago style gun laws to Wisconsin. It has virtually unlimited resources to spend on anti-firearm efforts and has done so. WAVE will have "experts" presenting "research." But it will be poisonous fruits from Joyce foundation branches.

    http://supgv.org/alert/2010/february...vent-gun-viole

    Merger Will Better Coordinate and Leverage Resources to Advance Life-Saving State Agendas
    (Chicago) – Two gun violence prevention organizations, Freedom States Alliance and States United to Prevent Gun Violence are joining forces to strengthen state-level advocacy efforts to save lives.

    Freedom States Alliance (FSA) will merge with States United to Prevent Gun Violence (SUPGV) and assume the States United to Prevent Gun Violence name effective immediately.

    The mission of the organization, SUPGV, is to support existing state-based gun violence prevention organizations and to expand the network of groups working to reduce gun violence throughout the United States.

    The merger will maximize resources and allow for better coordination to reduce the devastating toll from gun-related deaths and injuries. Each year, guns kill over 30,000 people in the United States. Another 80,000 people are shot and injured, leaving physical and emotional scars that last for years.

    “Despite the tragic and ongoing epidemic of gun violence in this country, policymakers remain unwilling to take any meaningful action to address this urgent public safety issue,” said Sally Slovenski, executive director of States United to Prevent Gun Violence. “We believe that aligning our efforts through the merger will increase opportunities for the sharing of resources and replication of successful strategies for state groups. This will in turn provide greater opportunities for progress on this issue in state houses across the country.”

    For example, the Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort (WAVE) recently launched a 450 mile tour with a display of 450 shirts, representing the victims of gun violence in Wisconsin in one year, to raise awareness and engage the public in their work to prevent gun violence. Additionally, Ceasefire New Jersey mobilized to help pass a one-gun-a-month law in New Jersey. “These success stories are great examples of the kind of results and replication of model programs we anticipate” Slovenski continued.

    “We are coming together in a more coordinated way to leverage resources and better coordinate our efforts,” said Barbara Hohlt, the new interim board chair for SUPGV. “Individual state groups urgently need added resources and tools to advance their life-saving agenda. This is exactly the kind of support SUPGV can provide.”

    http://journals.democraticunderground.com/davepc

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    Posted by davepc in General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007)
    Wed Nov 22nd 2006, 01:40 PM
    Founded by the Freedom States Alliance


    The Freedom States Alliance is changing the way America thinks about guns in order to build and mobilize a grassroots movement. By raising money, organizing supporters, and sponsoring Internet and public education campaigns on behalf of gun violence prevention organizations, the Freedom States Alliance is reframing and redefining public perceptions of the gun issue.

    Building a true grassroots movement is the only way the Freedom States Alliance can channel money and resources directly to advocates working in the trenches to turn the tide of the gun violence epidemic. Our new grassroots approach includes creative and aggressive outreach, local and statewide media campaigns, and utilizing the Internet to organize supporters and to raise financial support.

    Changing the Way Americans Think About Guns
    Before America can enact significant policies to reduce gun violence we must challenge the belief that our citizens are safe in a country flooded with deadly guns; from junk handguns and cop-killing assault weapons to deadly sniper rifles and weapons designed for the battlefield. We have to engage in a dialog about whether Americans can be truly free when gun violence terrorizes our communities, destroys our families, and plagues our nation.


    http://www.freedomstatesalliance.com/missi...

    (emphasis added)

    In other words, they want to make you afraid. Once you're afraid you'll be willing to support their anti-gun legislation, because they'll sell it to you as a way to make you safe.

    Right out of the Neo-conservative playbook. TERR-AH TERR-AH TERR-AH. You better be scared from this EVIL MENNANCE that only we can protect you from!



    Recipients of the Freedom States Alliance

    CeaseFire NJ
    www.ceasefirenj.org

    Citizens for a Safer Minnesota
    www.endgunviolence.com

    Hoosiers Concerned About Gun Violence
    www.hcgv.org

    Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence
    www.ichv.org

    Iowans for the Prevention of Gun Violence
    www.ipgv.org

    New England Coalition to Prevent Gun Violence
    www.redflagcampaign.net

    New Yorkers Against Gun Violence
    www.nyagv.org

    Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence
    www.ohioceasefire.org

    Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort Educational Fund
    www.waveedfund.org




    The Freedom States Alliance gets some of its funding via grants from the Joyce Foundation, which among other causes gives money to things like:



    2006 Gun Violence Grants

    Children’s Memorial Hospital
    Chicago, IL $60,000
    To support the continued development and expansion of the Illinois Violent Death Reporting System. (1 yr.)

    Children’s Memorial Hospital
    Chicago, IL $41,800
    To educate the public, policymakers, and data providers about the importance of the National Violent Death Reporting System. (1 yr.)

    International Association of Chiefs of Police
    Alexandria, VA $174,788
    To expand a Midwest-based advisory group of law enforcement leaders interested in promoting gun violence prevention policies and practices, and to plan a possible regional summit of Midwest law enforcement, elected officials, and other stakeholders on gun violence prevention. (9 mos.)

    Mayor’s Fund to Advance New York City
    New York, NY $175,000
    To organize a coalition of mayors from around the country to promote national, state, and local policies, litigation, and law enforcement strategies aimed at reducing the flow of illegal guns into cities. (1 yr.)

    National Foundation for the Centers for Disease Control & Prevention, Inc.
    Atlanta, GA $168,547
    To develop an automated query system for the National Violent Death Reporting System. (2 yrs.)

    Violence Policy Center
    Washington, DC $700,000
    For general support and its continued research, public education, and technical assistance to promote gun policy reform in 2007, particularly in Illinois and Wisconsin. (18 mos.)

    2005 Gun Violence Grants

    Harvard University
    School of Public Health
    Boston, MA $700,000
    To support the Harvard Injury Control Research Center’s technical assistance to the National Violent Death Reporting System, to conduct policy-relevant firearm research, and to increase its communications capacity. (2 yrs.)

    Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence
    Chicago, IL $325,000
    For continued support of its public, media, and policy-maker education efforts to promote firearm policy reform in Illinois. (1 yr.)

    Johns Hopkins University School of Hygiene and Public Health
    Baltimore, MD $181,117
    To share research findings on strategies for reducing gun violence with Chicago and Milwaukee city officials, law enforcement, advocates, and the media. (2 yrs.)

    Legal Community Against Violence
    San Francisco, CA $380,000
    For general support. (2 yrs.)

    Mark Karlin & Associates
    Chicago, IL $650,000
    To support the continued efforts of its Freedom States Alliance, a project to promote financial self-sufficiency and effective media, public, and policy-maker education efforts among gun violence prevention groups, especially those in Illinois and Wisconsin.
    (18 mos.)

    National Opinion Research Center
    Chicago, IL $39,499
    To add a selection of gun-related questions to its 2006 General Social Survey. (2 yrs.)

    University of Pennsylvania
    Firearm & Injury Center at Penn
    Philadelphia, PA $300,000
    To develop a national research agenda on firearms, to support and conduct interdisciplinary firearms research, and to help translate research into policy and practice. (18 mos.)

    Violence Policy Center
    Washington, DC $450,000
    To provide research and technical assistance to Midwest-based gun violence prevention advocates. (1 yr.)

    WAVE Educational Fund
    Milwaukee, WI $250,000
    To continue its public, policy-maker, and media education efforts to prevent firearm violence in Wisconsin. (1 yr.)

    2004 Gun Violence Grants

    Boston University
    School of Public Health
    Boston, MA $40,000
    To support the Join Together Gun Violence Prevention Project. (6 mos.)

    Children’s Memorial Hospital
    Chicago, IL $100,000
    For its Child Health Data Lab to support the development and implementation of the Illinois Violent Death Reporting System and the state’s reapplication for federal funding next year. (1 yr.)

    Citizens for a Safer Minnesota Education Fund
    St. Paul, MN $90,000
    To support its efforts to change cultural attitudes and norms in support of firearms policies that protect children and promote public health, and to expand the organization’s membership and funding base. (1 yr.)

    Citizens for a Safer Minnesota Education Fund
    St. Paul, MN $32,000
    To support gun violence prevention policies in Minnesota. (6 mos.)

    Consumer Federation of America
    Washington, DC $75,000
    To educate the public and policy makers about the public health and safety impact of failing to regulate guns, particularly assault weapons, as consumer products. (9 mos.)

    Entertainment Industries Council, Inc.
    Reston, VA $125,000
    To work with the entertainment community to accurately and responsibly address gun violence on television. (18 mos.)

    Fenton Communications
    New York, NY $175,000
    To provide communications and public relations support to promote the expansion of the National Violent Death Reporting System across all 50 states with particular focus on promoting its expansion into midwestern states including Indiana, Ohio, and Iowa.
    (2 yrs.)

    Handgun-Free America
    Arlington, VA $35,000
    To coordinate and support efforts on college campuses to educate students, the public, and policy makers about the dangers of civilian access to assault weapons. (1 yr.)

    Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence
    Chicago, IL $300,000
    To create a new network of state-based gun violence prevention groups. (1 yr.)

    Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence
    Chicago, IL $400,000
    To educate the public about the risks of guns in the home and to enhance its media and communications presence (including on the Internet), its statewide organizing, and coalition building, and its funding and membership base. (1 yr.)

    Indiana University
    Department of Pediatrics
    Indianapolis, IN $150,000
    To develop a statewide firearm death and injury data collection system and to position the state to apply for National Violent Death Reporting System funding. (1 yr.)

    Indiana University
    Department of Pediatrics
    Indianapolis, IN $40,000
    To support the Indiana Partnership to Prevent Gun Violence. (1 yr.)

    Iowans for the Prevention of Gun Violence
    Cedar Rapids, IA $250,000
    For its work at the state and national level to promote public health strategies to prevent gun-related deaths and injuries. (2 yrs.)

    Legal Community Against Violence
    San Francisco, CA $125,000
    To provide legal assistance to state and local policy makers and advocates working on gun violence prevention measures and to launch a national membership program for lawyers. (18 mos.)

    Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence
    Toledo, OH $200,000
    For continued support of its efforts as a statewide resource on gun violence prevention, and to build its organizational funding and membership base. (2 yrs.)


    Ohio State University Foundation
    John Glenn Institute for Public Service & Public Policy
    Columbus, OH $125,000
    To host a symposium at Stanford Law School on the connections between the Second Amendment and the Fourteenth Amendment, to publish papers in a major law review, and disseminate findings via the Web. (2 yrs.)

    PAX
    New York, NY $200,000
    To pilot and evaluate the Asking Saves Kids Campaign’s impact on public knowledge, attitudes, and behaviors related to gun ownership and accessibility in Rockford and Joliet, Illinois. (2 yrs.)

    Physicians for Social Responsibility
    Washington, DC $100,000
    To train, expand, and mobilize its membership around firearm injury prevention with a particular focus on assault weapons and on the nexus between firearms and domestic violence. (1 yr.)

    University of California-Los Angeles
    School of Public Health
    Los Angeles, CA $250,000
    To study the impact of California’s effortto implement firearm prohibitions that were part of the 1994 federal Violence Against Women Act. (2 yrs.)

    University of Pennsylvania
    Philadelphia, PA $200,000
    To support its Firearm Injury Center’s research and dissemination activities. (18 mos.)

    Violence Policy Center
    Washington, DC $500,000
    To provide research and technical assistance to Midwest-based gun violence prevention advocates. (1 yr.)

    WAVE Educational Fund
    Milwaukee, WI $250,000
    To educate the public about the risks of guns in the home and to enhance its media and communications presence (including on the Internet), its statewide organizing, and coalition building, and its funding and membership base. (1 yr.)

    WAVE Educational Fund
    Milwaukee, WI $40,000
    To support a coalition to reduce gun violence in Wisconsin. (6 mos.)



    2003 Gun Violence Grants

    Handgun Epidemic Lowering Plan (HELP) Network
    Chicago, IL $120,000
    To promote the expansion of the National Violent Death Reporting System and to help promote physician education and advocacy by defining a medical standard of care for gun violence prevention. (2 yrs.)

    Harvard University
    School of Public Health
    Boston, MA $80,000
    To conduct a national survey on gun ownership, storage trends, and attitudes regarding public health-oriented gun policy options. (1 yr.)

    Mark Karlin & Associates
    Chicago, IL $185,000
    To help raise the media presence and capacity of Midwest gun violence prevention groups. (18 mos.)

    New York Academy of Medicine
    New York, NY $100,000
    For its program Doctors Against Handgun Injury supporting a coalition of national medical societies to promote public health-oriented gun policies and practices. (2 yrs.)

    Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence
    Toledo, OH $150,000
    For general support, including state and federal policy advocacy to prevent gun violence. (21 mos.)

    Violence Policy Center
    Washington, DC $500,000
    To support its research, communication, advocacy, and outreach efforts promoting public health-oriented gun policy. (1 yr.)

    WAVE Educational Fund
    Milwaukee, WI $100,000
    To promote public health-oriented gun policy in Wisconsin and nationally. (2 yrs.)

    2002 Gun Violence Grants

    Boston University, School of Public Health
    Boston, MA $200,000
    To support the Join Together Gun Violence Prevention Project, including its gun violence prevention website and on-line suite of services, and the provision of technical assistance to individuals and organizations interested in gun violence prevention. (2 yrs.)

    Citizens for a Safer Minnesota Education Fund
    St. Paul, MN $200,000
    To support efforts to educate the public and policy makers about the need for gun violence prevention policies in Minnesota and to work toward their implementation. (27 mos.)

    Consumer Federation of America Foundation
    Washington, DC $400,000
    To advocate for the treatment and regulation of guns as consumer products. (2 yrs.)

    Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence
    Chicago, IL $375,000
    For continued support of the OnTarget Coalition, a network of organizations working to address gun violence as a public health issue in Illinois. (2 yrs.)

    Indiana University
    Department of Pediatrics
    Indianapolis, IN $250,000
    To support the Indiana Partnership to Prevent Firearm Violence, a project of Indiana University, for the development and implementation of the Indiana Firearm Injury and Fatality Reporting System. (2 yrs.)

    Iowans for the Prevention of Gun Violence
    Cedar Rapids, IA $250,000
    To support efforts at the state and national level to promote public health policies to prevent gun related deaths and injuries. (21 mos.)

    Mark Karlin & Associates
    Chicago, IL $192,000
    For publication of research results on gun violence. (2 yrs.)

    Ohio State University Foundation
    Department of History
    Columbus, OH $399,967
    For the creation of a comprehensive Second Amendment Research Center. (2 yrs.)

    Physicians for Social Responsibility
    Washington, DC $150,000
    To support efforts aimed at organizing the medical and public health communities to educate their patients and policy makers about the dangers of keeping firearms in the home and the policies and practices that would reduce gun-related death and injury. (2 yrs.)

    Violence Policy Center
    Washington, DC $800,000
    To support research, public education, communication, and advocacy efforts promoting public health oriented gun violence prevention policies. (18 mos.)



    2001 Gun Violence Grants

    Children's Memorial Foundation
    Chicago, IL $150,000
    For continued support of the Handgun Epidemic Lowering Plan (HELP) Network in promoting a public health approach to the epidemic levels of handgun-related death and injury. (2 yrs.)

    Communication Works
    San Francisco, California $300,000
    To develop and execute a communications project entitled "From Raw Data to Injury Prevention: Building the Communications Pipeline," which provides media support to the Joyce-funded National Firearm Injury Statistics System. (2 yrs.)

    Harvard University
    School of Public Health
    Boston, MA $425,000
    To support the National Firearm Injury Statistics System in stimulating the establishment of a National Violent Death Reporting System. (2 yrs.)

    Johns Hopkins University
    School of Hygiene and Public Health
    Baltimore, Maryland $600,000
    For continued support of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research. (2 yrs.)

    Legal Community Against Violence
    San Francisco, California $150,000
    To provide legal guidance to local and state officials, activists, and others seeking to enact, and defend in court, sound public health regulations of firearms. (2 yrs.)

    National Academy of Sciences
    National Research Council
    Washington, DC $109,000
    To improve research information and data on firearms. (2 yrs.)

    National Association of State-Based
    Child Advocacy Organizations
    Washington, DC $733,249
    To launch a three-year project called "Child Safe," designed to reduce the incidence of gun-related deaths and injuries suffered by children and their families. (3 yrs.)

    Physicians for Social Responsibility
    Washington, DC $100,000
    To launch the public education and mobilization campaign, Faces of Firearms. (1 yr.)

    Toledo Ecumenical Area Ministries
    Toledo Metropolitan Mission
    Toledo, Ohio $250,000
    For continued support to the Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence. (2 yrs.)

    Uhlich Children's Home
    Chicago, Illinois $50,000
    To support the Hands Without Guns Program, a public health and education campaign designed to inform youth, influence peer behavior, and change public policy. (1 yr.)

    University of California-Davis
    Violence Prevention Research Program
    Sacramento, CA $125,000
    For general support and research. (18 mos.)

    University of Pennsylvania
    Philadelphia, Pennsylvania $1,200,000
    To strengthen the Firearm Injury Center and to expand the Medical Professionals as Advocates Program. (3 yrs.)

    2000 Gun Violence Grants

    Alliance for Justice, Inc.
    Washington, DC $300,000
    To support a focus on public policies to prevent gun violence in its First Monday Program, which mobilizes college, graduate, and law students to become informed advocates in a critical public policy issue. (2 yrs.)

    Boston University School of Public Health
    Boston, MA $358,378
    To enable its Join Together organization to maintain and expand its gun violence prevention website and related services. (2 yrs)

    Citizens for a Safer Minnesota Education Fund
    St. Paul, Minnesota $300,000
    To create the Gun Violence Organizing Project, a state-local partnership to step up the level of policy advocacy around gun violence prevention in Minnesota. (2 yrs.)

    Communication Works, Inc.
    San Francisco, California $560,122
    To develop and implement communications strategies for promoting a public health-oriented gun policy of comprehensive health and safety regulation of the industry. (3 yrs.)

    Duke University
    Office of Research Support
    Durham, North Carolina $339,133
    For a study of how community gun ownership rates and gun-related policies affect the public health and safety within the community. (2 yrs.)

    Entertainment Industries Council, Inc.
    Reston, Virginia $28,890
    For a planning grant to initiate broad-scale research into the media's influence on the public's perception of firearms, in order to determine the most effective courses of action to encourage accurate and responsible firearms depiction in the entertainment media. (6 mos.)

    Harvard University School of Public Health
    Boston, MA $325,000
    To support young scholars working on firearm injury prevention research and the dissemination of findings. (3 yrs)

    Iowans for the Prevention of Gun Violence
    Cedar Rapids, IA $250,000
    To coordinate efforts working with state and voluntary agencies to reduce firearms deaths and injuries in Iowa, with a particular emphasis on gun suicide. (2 yrs)

    Loyola University
    Department of Sociology and Anthropology
    Chicago, Illinois $44,261
    For a study on illegal handgun distribution and availability in Chicago neighborhoods and their relationship to violent crime. (1 yr.)

    Minnesota Institute of Public Health
    Anoka, MN $296,594
    For continuation of its efforts to reduce gun injuries and deaths in Minnesota, particularly focusing on the collection of gun violence data, state level legislation, and local policy development. (2 yrs)

    National Association of State-Based Child Advocacy Organizations
    Washington, DC $49,540
    To launch the New Voices Initiative in 2001, intended to bring the voice of child advocates to the gun violence prevention arena. (9 mos)

    National Opinion Research Center
    Chicago, Illinois $197,661
    For a supplement to the fifth annual survey of public attitudes on gun policy issues focusing on gun carrying. (1 yr.)

    New York Academy of Medicine
    New York, New York $750,000
    For Doctors Against Handgun Injury (DAHI), a new coalition of learned medical societies and organizations dedicated to mobilizing the influence, authority, and clinical expertise of physicians to reduce handgun injury. (3 yrs.)

    Physicians for Social Responsibility
    Washington, DC $150,000
    To involve medical and public health students and professionals in policy advocacy activities associated with the Alliance for Justice First Monday Program on Gun Violence in America. (1 yr.)

    Toledo Ecumenical Area Ministries
    Toledo Metropolitan Mission
    Toledo, Ohio $33,200
    To strengthen operations of the Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence. (1 yr.)

    University of California-Los Angeles, School of Public Health
    Los Angeles, CA $132,787
    To analyze and disseminate findings from the largest and most in-depth survey to date of access to, and use of, firearms among adolescents. (2 yrs)

    Violence Policy Center
    Washington, DC $1,000,000
    To support its efforts to promote public health-oriented gun policy through research, public education, coalition building, and advocacy. (2 yrs)

    Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort (WAVE) Educational Fund
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin $506,414
    To develop and coordinate the policy-oriented activities of a multi-disciplinary coalition to reduce gun violence in Wisconsin. (3 yrs.)


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    When in danger you can dial 911 and hope for the police to arrive a few minutes later armed with guns.
    Why do police carry guns?

    The Joyce Foundation funded firearm control empire:
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    what will their stragety be? Like every other snivveling leftist i have ever known: Lie and deny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    what will their stragety be? Like every other snivveling leftist i have ever known: Lie and deny.
    Succinctly put.
    When in danger you can dial 911 and hope for the police to arrive a few minutes later armed with guns.
    Why do police carry guns?

    The Joyce Foundation funded firearm control empire:
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    WAVE false-flag or spoofing divide and compromise.

    Is there objective evidence that WAVE is Wisconsin's only anti-gun specific organization? It is really difficult to prove an negative.

    As to their strategy, why does no one suspect false-flag and spoofing as a pro-gun control compromiser? Divide and conquer works against any unprincipled corporate entity. That means that D&C works against you and I if we don't have reliable principles that we hold above popularity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Huffman View Post
    Is there objective evidence that WAVE is Wisconsin's only anti-gun specific organization? It is really difficult to prove an negative.

    As to their strategy, why does no one suspect false-flag and spoofing as a pro-gun control compromiser? Divide and conquer works against any unprincipled corporate entity. That means that D&C works against you and I if we don't have reliable principles that we hold above popularity.
    Exactly, like planting a disruptor in the forum. Let us hope it is now over and we can move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Huffman View Post
    Is there objective evidence that WAVE is Wisconsin's only anti-gun specific organization? It is really difficult to prove an negative.

    As to their strategy, why does no one suspect false-flag and spoofing as a pro-gun control compromiser? Divide and conquer works against any unprincipled corporate entity. That means that D&C works against you and I if we don't have reliable principles that we hold above popularity.
    WAVE says they are.....and Ol' Jer wouldn't stretch the truth would she?? The term "common sense measures" will be stated many times in the upcoming months.

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    Our Mission

    Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort Educational Fund is Wisconsin's only statewide grassroots organization solely dedicated to reducing gun violence, injuries and deaths.

    Through research, education and advocacy, WAVE Educational Fund raises awareness about firearm violence throughout the state, provides up to date information to the public and to policy makers, and promotes common sense measures that will bring our state to the forefront of gun violence prevention.
    When in danger you can dial 911 and hope for the police to arrive a few minutes later armed with guns.
    Why do police carry guns?

    The Joyce Foundation funded firearm control empire:
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    Control IS gun-control

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Huffman View Post
    Is there objective evidence that WAVE is Wisconsin's only anti-gun specific organization? It is really difficult to prove an negative.

    As to their strategy, why does no one suspect false-flag and spoofing as a pro-gun control compromiser? Divide and conquer works against any unprincipled corporate entity. That means that D&C works against you and I if we don't have reliable principles that we hold above popularity.
    Further, does the false-flag organization have to be from Wisconsin? Remember, it ain't about gun-control, be it from the right or left, but it is about control.

    Read Angelo Codevilla's The Character of Nations and his American Spectator essay 'America's Ruling Class -- And the Perils of Revolution'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Huffman View Post
    Remember, it ain't about gun-control, be it from the right or left, but it is about control..
    Right on, but at the end of the day isn't that what we all want?
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    Jeri, the executive direction, is a complete quack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny amish View Post
    Right on, but at the end of the day isn't that what we all want?
    I desire neither "gun-control" nor tyranny. If you want to make the words mean something else then be clear about it.

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    Control
    The left wants to ban our guns
    The right wants to require permits
    Some of us want the right to chose how and where we carry without government permission
    Any way you slice it at the end of the day we want to control something
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    Since we now control the Senate,the Assembly & the governors mansion with gun friendly elected law makers .... Does it really matter what WAVE might be doing ??? Wave no longer has any teeth.
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    Please support your local,county, state & Federal Law enforcement agencies, right ???

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    A minority can make a big stink. The left controls the mainstream press in the biggest WI cities, and will be quoting gun control advocates on the usual "rivers of blood", "old west gunfights", "who'll protect the children" crapola. Not to mention "statistics" that have been stretched like taffy or even just made up and announced as fact.

    Our best bet is to simply keep calm and refute these allegations, or better yet, be proactive by writing letters to the editor about oc/cc before they happen.

    Remember, in the end, the politicians are there for their job, and it wouldn't be inconcievable that even the republicans might not throw a bone in a gun bill for the lefties that is unacceptable to us, such as that stupid school bus rule on the last PPA attempt.

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    I think it would be great if we could get 3 times the amount of organizations supporting us with 3 times the financial support. It is a long road, but I don't think that is impossible either.

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    WAVE consists of a very small number of well-funded people who can give the impression that they have a louder voice than they actually have.

    As part of my "know thy enemy" approach I received the follow email from them today:

    Dear Friends:

    Our new governor and legislature haven't even taken office yet, and they're already signaling that they have every intention of making it easier for more people to carry guns in more places

    . Good grief!

    It's not going to be easy, but we're ready to do everything we can to prevent them from doing this to our state. Are you with us?

    To make sure we are representing the views of our supporters and friends, we would like your feedback. Please take just one minute to fill out this 4-question survey

    .

    We really appreciate your help!

    http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/YN88ZM9

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    I think that is the case for all gun control groups; small, well funded, shrill ... intolerant.
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    The WAVE strategy is NO debate, NO truth, just there "pre-existing world view."

    An individual "liked" them on face book and asked a direct question about how (weapon aside) they were addressing the root cause of violence.

    The question was DELETED, and the individual "un-liked."

    They KNOW they have lost the debate.

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    How many lies per dollar?

    Yes, but with a quarter mil a year from the Joyce foundation they can afford to keep trying to spread the love…

    So, how many volunteers does it take to counteract the noise (FUD?) generated by $250,000?
    Answer: All of 'em.
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    Fight for "Stand Your Ground " legislation!

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    "These so-called 'public safety' laws only put decent law-abiding citizens at a dangerous disadvantage when it comes to their personal safety, and I for one am glad that this decades-long era of defective thinking on gun issues is over..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by bnhcomputing View Post
    The WAVE strategy is NO debate, NO truth, just there "pre-existing world view."

    An individual "liked" them on face book and asked a direct question about how (weapon aside) they were addressing the root cause of violence.

    The question was DELETED, and the individual "un-liked."

    They KNOW they have lost the debate.
    Sounds like the ICHV and every other anti group. They don't have the guts to tackle the real issues: fatherless children, entitlement mentalities, glorification of the thug culture, etc.


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    Their next strategy will probably be to create a tsunami wave of support to crush our initiative in the legislature.

    We need to get as many businesses as we can to donate to our cause. For as many as Wave has think of how many are not listed as their supporters. Maybe those who are not listed are on our side!

    If we as an alliance can round up three times the support that WAVE has, we would virtually create a levy that could hold back WAVE through any storm we weather.

    Once everything is in place with this alliance that is building, it would merely take volunteers to solicit the support of Businesses and people throughout Wisconsin. Again, strength is in the numbers and dollar sign numbers speak in volumes.

    Now I am not trying to speak for WCI or any other of the pro gun organizations but in my honest opinion this needs to be one of our highest initiatives.

    It would take volunteers contacting businesses and then following up with sending out donation envelopes with forms stating how much the individual or business is committed to donating to the cause. Then the volunteers would follow up with a thank you call for those donations that come in or a friendly reminder call if the donations have not been received in order to confirm the support of the individual or business.
    Also these businesses and individuals do not necessarily have to be in Wisconsin. How about soliciting the S&W Corporation for example?

    This is not a crazy idea. It is the same tactic used by WAVE, the Disabled Veterans of America, the Policemen's Benevolent Society and many more.

    If we already have a head start on creating our voice, we should also be creating our bank account. Money talks, especially in the legislature.

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    I believe WAVE will be counting on the Police Chiefs Association being in their corner with the Milwaukee legislative delegation running blocking and delay maneuvers in the legislature while offering weakening language in the name of "officer safety" and "reasonable common sense regulation."

    Remember in the governor campaign when Barrett said how important it was to listen to law enforcement when gun control (his version of concealed carry legislation) legislation is being considered. I suspect that if WAVE hasn't had meetings with The Hand and his Prone Em Danno police chief to plot their legislative battle plan, they soon will.

    WAVE is already talking about up domestic violence, highlighting murders of women by an intimate partner or family member. November 16, 2010 posting http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wiscon...t/273516596235

    I guess they are trying to infer that there is no need for women to carry a firearm for protection becuse a woman is more likely to be murdered by someone she knows.

    Here is what the Joyce Foundation and WAVE will never say at a legislative hearing:

    From http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvmurd.html

    "Crimes of Passion" Homicides

    Just as not all crimes are detected by police, the same holds true for domestic violence. Family violence rates "are many times greater than rates based on cases known to child welfare professionals, the police, shelters, or the National Crime Survey..." (Straus, Murray A. 2000. "Family violence." [pdf] P. 982 in Encyclopedia of Sociology, 2nd Ed., vol 2. edited by E.F. Borgatta and M. L. Borgatta. NY: Macmillian Publishing Co.) However, even with only what's known to law-enforcement and case-workers, there is substantial evidence showing "the day-to-day reality is that most family murders are preceded by a long history of assaults." (Straus, Murray A. 1986 "Domestic Violence and Homicide Antecedents" [pdf], 62 Bull. N.Y. Acad. Med. P. 454).

    However, this report claims about half of the incidents of intimate violence experienced by women are reported to the police. (Violence by Intimates: Analysis of Data on Crimes by Current or Former Spouses, Boyfriends, and Girlfriends. Bureau of Justice Statistics Factbook (Rev 5/98) (pdf) P. v.)

    Again quoting from Straus (1986, p.457):

    "A tabulation of homicide cases in Kansas city [sic] found that '... police had responded to disturbance calls at the address of homicide victims or suspects at least once in the two years before the homicide in 90 percent of the cases, and five or more times in the 2 years before the homicide in 50 percent of the cases.'"
    Straus (p.457) also cites a study of 42 battered women who had killed their husbands, finding that there had been "a long history of serious assaults and many injuries, including threats of being killed by the husband."

    "The majority (67%80%) of intimate partner homicides involve physical abuse of the female by the male before the murder, no matter which partner is killed." (Campbell, Jacquelyn C. et al. July 2003. "Risk Factors for Femicide in Abusive Realtionships: Results from a Multisite Case Control Study." American Journal of Public Health. Vol 93, No. 7. P. 1089)

    A sample of findings from several domestic homicide studies follows:


    Florida - After conducting an analysis of multi-agency case files Florida in 1994, Neil Websdale found that almost 87 percent of the women killed by their intimate male partners had experienced prior battering at the hands of their eventual killers. 28 percent of the victims had obtained at least one restraining order against their male perpetrator at some point prior to the homicide. Websdale also writes, "Some files contain no evidence of a history of woman battering, but it would be foolhardy to conclude that no such violence took place." (Neil Websdale, Understanding Domestic Homicide, Northeastern University Press, Boston, 1999, p. 81.)

    New York State - "In most of the cases reviewed by the Commission, a pattern of domestic violence preceded the homicide; in half of the cases, a prior criminal record preceded the homicide as well. In 40 (70%) of the 57 cases reviewed, the offender had a history of physical abuse of the victim. In 26 (65%) of these 40 cases, the offender also had a prior criminal record of one or more arrests. In 22 (85%) of these 26 cases, the offenders had prior arrests for incidents of domestic violence. Of the 57 cases, however, there were 6 with no history of abuse and 11 with a history of non-physical abuse only, giving a combined total of 17 (30%) of the cases with no known violent behavior prior to the homicide." Summary of Findings and Recommendations Commission On Domestic Violence Fatalities: October 1997

    Massachusetts - "Three-quarters of perpetrators had a prior criminal history in Massachusetts, and slightly over half had a prior history of violence. Close to a quarter of perpetrators were under an active restraining order at the time of the homicide; the vast majority of these orders had been taken out by the partner who was killed or targeted (even if an Other Victim was the person actually killed). A number of victims had restraining orders that had recently expired." (Source [pdf])

    Oklahoma - "23% of victims and 40% of offenders had criminal convictions. 23% of victims and 64% of perpetrators had a history of committing domestic violence." (Source, p. 15.)

    Contra Costa County, California - For years 1997 thru 1999: "In fifteen of the twenty domestic violence deaths, there was a clear history of prior domestic violence between the intimate partners involved in the incidents leading to deaths. (Source[pdf], p. 9)

    Minneapolis - Between 1985 and 1989, residences with a domestic disturbance call were five to thirteen times more likely (depending on the year) to have a homicide than residences not having a call. (This doesn't mean that this factor alone makes it easier to predict which homes will have a domestic homicide since there are a far larger number of addresses with calls where no homicides occur.) (Sherman, L.W. 1992. Policing Domestic Violence: Experiments and Dilemmas. New York: Free Press. Pp. 233-34.)
    Conclusion

    This page has provided strong evidence that, indeed, most of our homicide problem is a result of criminals misusing guns. We already have laws prohibiting felons and juveniles from possessing firearms. What has been missing is swift, certain and severe punishment for violating these laws. (For example there is a 10 year penalty for a felon found in possession of a firearm, yet how often is this law enforced?) Obviously gun rights proponents prefer criminal control to more gun control. To see where enforcement of the numerous, already existing laws is working and achieving dramatic results in reducing gun related violence and homicide, and intervention programs attempting to strike at "root causes," see enforcing the laws we already have.
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    When in danger you can dial 911 and hope for the police to arrive a few minutes later armed with guns.
    Why do police carry guns?

    The Joyce Foundation funded firearm control empire:
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    The WAVE "guns cause domenstic violence deaths" has begun. The Milwaukee paper has a story on domestic violence, with words firearm and gun in the first three sentences.

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/110039689.html

    The name Tony Gibart appears in the story as a spokesman for the Wisconsin Coalition Against Domestic Violence. See November 11, Session 2 on this seminar program where Mr. Gilbert appears with another familar name.

    www.wcadv.org/?go=download&id=1310

    Just a coincidence that the newpaper story highlighting firearm and gun comes shortly after the conference? Yea, ok.
    When in danger you can dial 911 and hope for the police to arrive a few minutes later armed with guns.
    Why do police carry guns?

    The Joyce Foundation funded firearm control empire:
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...lFundingR1.png

    "Everything that we see is a shadow cast by that which we do not see." - Martin Luther King Jr.

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