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    Obama picks a director for the ATF...

    Nearly two years into his term, President Obama on Monday chose a director for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Mr. Obama will submit the name of Andrew Traver, the special agent in charge of the bureau's Chicago field division, to the Senate for consideration, the White House said.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/16/us..._BRF.html?_r=3

    Chicago Division? CHICAGO Division?

    *sigh*
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    Write your Senator and ask him to deny consent/confirmation.

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    scary indeed.

    this is from their field office website:
    Welcome to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) Chicago Field Division. Our Division is responsible for ATF criminal enforcement and industry regulatory activities in the State of Illinois. Our dedicated work force is comprised of special agents, investigators, auditors, technicians and support staff.

    ATF is committed to reducing violent crime in our neighborhoods. ATF’s Chicago Field Division special agents combat firearms violence by focusing their investigative efforts on armed violent offenders, career criminals, gun traffickers and gangs. We also work in partnership with other local, state and federal law enforcement agencies throughout Illinois to accomplish this mission.
    As long as the focus remains on the bolded we have nothing to worry about......right?
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    I just e-mailed Senator McCain. Please tell me everyone is doing the same with their Senators?

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    I'm not sure that contacting the CA senators would do any good, but I will give it a shot.
    If guns cause crime.....mine must be defective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coded-Dude View Post
    I'm not sure that contacting the CA senators would do any good, but I will give it a shot.
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    next time i fly commercially i'm not going to wear anything but a speedo. man i need to get my license!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomas View Post
    Nearly two years into his term, President Obama on Monday chose a director for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Mr. Obama will submit the name of Andrew Traver, the special agent in charge of the bureau's Chicago field division, to the Senate for consideration, the White House said.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/16/us..._BRF.html?_r=3

    Chicago Division? CHICAGO Division?

    *sigh*
    As soon as I hit the word "Chicago" in your post, I experienced the same visceral reaction you seem to have expressed in your last paragraph.

    Really? Chicago, Mr. Obama? REALLY?

    Seriously, do we have any hard information on this guy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Huffman View Post
    It counts more if you voted/are old enough to vote.

    I didn't vote for Boxer or Fiorina. Both were bad choices. I also did not inadvertently get Boxer re-elected because of my vote. Anyone that says otherwise has given up on the right choice and settled for the bipartisan choice.
    If guns cause crime.....mine must be defective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Seriously, do we have any hard information on this guy?
    Who is Andrew Traver
    If guns cause crime.....mine must be defective.

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    So does Obama know ANYONE not associated with the Joyce Foundation, Media Matters, the WeatherMen terrorists bombers from the 60-70's, OR George Soros?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coded-Dude View Post
    Thanks.

    He's an anti-gunner. Nuff said.

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    He's an anti-gunner? And you're surprised by this?

    The position is for Director of the BATFE (I REFUSE to legitimize them by calling them ATF). It is an appointment by Barack Obama. THERE IS ZERO CHANCE OF ANYTHING OTHER THAN AN ANTI-GUNNER FOR THIS APPOINTMENT. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.

    Don't get me wrong. I don't think this guy as director of BATFE is a good thing- I just think it could be a LOT worse. Suppose Obama had chosen someone involved in the Waco debaucle? Perhaps even someone who had helped plan and/or lead it? Suppose he had chosen someone who had been in charge of any one of a hundred other blatant attacks on law-abiding citizens over a $200.00 tax, or a piece of wood or metal that was 1/2 inch too long or too short? Hell, it may come out that in fact he did do some of those things, but I could find nothing of that in the provided link, and I would assume that had he been involved in something like that, it certainly would have been mentioned.

    Perhaps if one day we elect a true pro-gun president (hasn't happened in my lifetime, and I'm 46), we might get a BATFE director that would actually reign in that out-of-control agency; but right now, especially with this president, I think it is insane to expect him to appoint someone that is anything other than a rabid anti. To get one that hasn't personally participated in the systematic attack on law-abiding citizens perpetrated by the BATFE over the last 40 or so years may just be the best we can hope for.

    I'm certainly not endorsing this man, but as I said, his choice could be a LOT worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slayer of Paper View Post
    He's an anti-gunner? And you're surprised by this?
    I tend to want confirmation of any assumptions before jumping to conclusions.

    Sue me, but I think that disposition is a commendable one.

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    We need to quit calling these people anti gunners. They are more anti freedom or anti American, anti constitution. You get the picture. I can asure you if Barry is involved with him, he is bad news.

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    Since the BATFE has no constitutional basis for existence, I don't think it matters much who leads such an organization. Anyone that would take that job would be a drone for the Obama administration and would carry out whatever illegal activities they were tasked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coded-Dude View Post
    I'm not sure that contacting the CA senators would do any good, but I will give it a shot.
    Feinstein & Boxer? Obama doesn't even have to ask to get them somewhere I won't post here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomas View Post
    Chicago Division? CHICAGO Division?

    *sigh*
    Sure! That way Obama can skate the issue of getting his hands dirty.

    Obama will never overtly act against those of us who exercise our right to keep and bear arms, as that would most assuredly cost him the next election. Rather, he does his dirty work through flunkies.
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