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    How inclusive is 626.9?

    PC 626.9 states that one cannot carry in a place that the person knows, or reasonably should know is within 1000 feet of a K-12 school. [Firearm] must be transported unloaded in a locked case or vehicle trunk. [One] cannot carry on the grounds of a university without written permission.

    Has it been determined that K-12 means any school from K to 12?

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    I have been a principal at several private K-8 grade schools. These were schools that started with kindergarten and finished with 8th grade. Are K-8 schools included even though PC 626.9 above only mentions K-12? I think the answer is obvious, but I am looking for a definitive answer.

    It my understanding that charter schools K-12 are also included in the restriction of 1000 feet.

    Are any other schools included in the 1000 foot restriction? Ex. Head Start schools? Preschool? Home schools where the child may go K-12th under parents' tutoring? Others?

    Thank you for your contributing answers.
    kh63

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    The PC states K-12 "inclusive." So, any single or multiple of those grades qualifies as establishing a 'school zone'

    So, any 'school' providing instruction in any of those grade whether public or private would qualify.

    .gov public schools - definately qualify
    private schools - definately qualify
    charter schools - these can be either private or .gov - very likely apply
    home schools - I would say these definately qualify, but this is where 'reasonably knows' becomes invaluable.
    preschools - not K-12 - doesn't qualify
    I don't have a clue what a "head start" school is...

    626.9 (e)(1) "School zone" means an area in, or on the grounds of, a public
    or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or grades 1
    to 12, inclusive, or within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds
    of the public or private school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjones View Post
    The PC states K-12 "inclusive." So, any single or multiple of those grades qualifies as establishing a 'school zone'

    So, any 'school' providing instruction in any of those grade whether public or private would qualify.

    .gov public schools - definately qualify
    private schools - definately qualify
    charter schools - these can be either private or .gov - very likely apply
    home schools - I would say these definately qualify, but this is where 'reasonably knows' becomes invaluable.
    preschools - not K-12 - doesn't qualify
    I don't have a clue what a "head start" school is...

    626.9 (e)(1) "School zone" means an area in, or on the grounds of, a public
    or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or grades 1
    to 12, inclusive, or within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds
    of the public or private school.
    Thank you, mjones.

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    Of course what the law says has almost no bearing on what local police "enforce".

    See Manhattan Beach story: http://www.southbayopencarry.org/201...en-carry-fair/

    Police decided to consider a CHURCH building across the street from a school as "school zone" to extend the 1000' radius.

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    kittyhawk,

    Do all private and charter schools have to be registered with the California Board of Education? This is the list of schools that I found on their website. http://www.cde.ca.gov/ds/si/

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    Quote Originally Posted by chewy352 View Post
    kittyhawk,

    Do all private and charter schools have to be registered with the California Board of Education? This is the list of schools that I found on their website. http://www.cde.ca.gov/ds/si/
    Edit: see following responses from others.
    Last edited by kittyhawk63; 11-19-2010 at 01:22 PM.

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    Private Schools in California, taught by the parents are not under any laws, other then teaching
    the basics.
    And a GFSZ is not under the control of the police in a private school. ( Private Property).

    "If one owned or carried a gun on that property" Its legal with the "Permission" of the Administrator.
    Otherwise all Home Schools in California are Illegal, if man of the house had a pistol on the property.
    Stupid laws, never made anyone safe !

    Robin47 PS. X- Home School-er !

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    Current state law provides for the legal practice of homeschooling as nonbusiness or nonprofit private schools (is not a student) under sections 48222 and 33190 of the California Education Code, and alternately as tutorial relationships under section 48224.

    Homeschool must file an affidavit with the Superintendent of Public Instruction pursuant to Education Code Section 33190.

    A private school is a business or nonprofit entity that is required to comply with requirements imposed by the jurisdiction, county, city, or other locality in which it is located, such as zoning, health and safety codes, fire codes, or other local ordinances.

    Above all, a list of California private schools that have filed the Private School Affidavit and have six or more "students" is on the CDE Private Schools Web page.

    Finally, the person knows, or reasonably should know as stated as above, is a gun free school zone.

    And The California Virtual Academies or internet schooling don't meets the GFSZ requirement.

    Read it again... "kindergarten" or "grades 1 to 12" is meaning from 1 up to 12. Someplace do have kindergarten only and if they got those under the CDE listed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjones View Post
    I don't have a clue what a "head start" school is...
    Simple, why isn't your or others head won't starting? ;>() LOL (just kidding... heh, heh)

    Head Start, U.S. educational program for disadvantaged preschool children, established under the Economic Opportunity Act of 1964. Aimed initially only at poor children, its purpose was to organize programs that would prepare preschool children for elementary school. Money was appropriated through the Office of Economic Opportunity, which made individual grants to cities and other localities to set up Head Start centers. In 1969 the program was transferred to the Dept. of Health, Education and Welfare (now Health and Human Services). It was later extended to children above the poverty level, whose parents, however, had to pay according to their income.

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    Yep ! Sections 33190 filing an Affidavit and 48222 keeping records of your activities, ('What your teaching).
    Are "Demanded", however one should also belong to HSLDA, "Home School legal Defense Association " to
    be safe from Government Officials. Some people are like the Brady Bunch, anti- home schooling.

    HSLDA is the best $100.00 I ever spent per year ! HSLDA came to my rescue twice, when needed.

    Robin47

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