Thread: Pistol grip shotguns?
Apparently, the ATF passed down an 'interpretation' that basically states that pistol grip shotguns aren't shotguns, but rather destructive devices.
Any other thoughts on this subject?
Last edited by elixin77; 11-17-2010 at 07:50 PM.
Taurus PT1911 .45 ACP. Carried in condition 1, with a total of 25 rounds.
Vice President of Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, ECU Chapter
By writing rules that turn more of #1 into #2, they remove #1 from existence, turning us into U.S. of Canada or U.S. of England.
It takes a village to raise an idiot.
It's not the pistol grip... it's the barrel length.
An October 27, 2010, letter from the Firearms Technology Branch ruled that such a firearm, with a 17" barrel and 26-1/4" overall length, was not subject to the National Firearms Act.
Minumum (legal) shotgun barrel is 18". My Rem 870 is 18.25". 28.5" overall length.
What pistol grip shotguns are they talking about? The only one that comes to my mind right off the bat is the Mossberg 500, but they, according to the mossberg, have a 18.5" barrel. http://mossberg.com/products/default...ction=products
Now someone could say that the overall length is not 26-1/4", but then you have to notice the word "and" in the quote "An October 27, 2010, letter from the Firearms Technology Branch ruled that such a firearm, with a 17" barrel and 26-1/4" overall length, was not subject to the National Firearms Act." The mossberg 500 doesn't have BOTH a 17" barrel AND an overall length of 26-1/4", so it doesn't fall into that category. It could if the word "and" was replaced with "or", but it wasn't. BTW, I don't know what the overall length of the mossberg 500 is, but it still doesn't fall into category because of its 18.5" barrel, according to mossberg.
Last edited by tpain; 11-21-2010 at 11:13 PM. Reason: Grammar correction
Take either one of the 'regular' shotguns... Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 series; Fit them with 18.5" factory barrels and an aftermarket pistol grip and they'll both exceed 26.25" by about an inch and change. The manner in which this BATF thing is crafted appears to be a deliberate attempt at re-direction of focus to make it appear that the pistol grip is the problem, when it's actually the barrel length. I know of no commercial barrel in civilian use under 18" in length. That's the minimum standard and has been for a LONG time. The barrel on my 870 was purchased in VA back in '82 or '83. It's stamped 'For Law Enforcement Use Only' on the top of he barrel (or words to that effect).
So, like I asked earlier, it IS Pistol Grip AND Barrel/Overall length, not JUST the pistol grip? In otherwords, all the Pursuader kits are still good to go.
Last edited by HeroHog; 11-23-2010 at 11:03 PM.