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    Pistol grip shotguns?

    Apparently, the ATF passed down an 'interpretation' that basically states that pistol grip shotguns aren't shotguns, but rather destructive devices.

    Any other thoughts on this subject?

    http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-i...tes-new-danger
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    Quote Originally Posted by elixin77 View Post
    Apparently, the ATF passed down an 'interpretation' that basically states that pistol grip shotguns aren't shotguns, but rather destructive devices.

    Any other thoughts on this subject?

    http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-i...tes-new-danger
    I think the ATF, BATF, FBI, CIA, Congress, and many others needs to figure out the difference between:

    1. Honest, law-abiding citizens of the United States of America

    and

    2. Those who break the law.
    The First protects the Second, and the Second protects the First. Together, they protect the rest of our Bill of Rights and our United States Constitution, and help We the People protect ourselves in the spirit of our Declaration of Independence.

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    By writing rules that turn more of #1 into #2, they remove #1 from existence, turning us into U.S. of Canada or U.S. of England.
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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    I think the ATF, BATF, FBI, CIA, Congress, and many others needs to figure out the difference between:

    1. Honest, law-abiding citizens of the United States of America

    and

    2. Those who break the law.
    Someone posted this a few days ago and it addresses the exact question that you do.

    http://www.constitution.org/mil/rkba1982.htm

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    It's not the pistol grip... it's the barrel length.

    An October 27, 2010, letter from the Firearms Technology Branch ruled that such a firearm, with a 17" barrel and 26-1/4" overall length, was not subject to the National Firearms Act.

    Minumum (legal) shotgun barrel is 18". My Rem 870 is 18.25". 28.5" overall length.
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    they classify it this way

    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    I think the ATF, BATF, FBI, CIA, Congress, and many others needs to figure out the difference between:

    1. Honest, law-abiding citizens of the United States of America

    and

    2. Those who break the law.
    1 Those they can manipulate/control and abuse
    2. Those they can't

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Someone posted this a few days ago and it addresses the exact question that you do.

    http://www.constitution.org/mil/rkba1982.htm
    Outstanding resource, eye95 - thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Someone posted this a few days ago and it addresses the exact question that you do.

    http://www.constitution.org/mil/rkba1982.htm
    Bookmarked, thank you.

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    What pistol grip shotguns are they talking about? The only one that comes to my mind right off the bat is the Mossberg 500, but they, according to the mossberg, have a 18.5" barrel. http://mossberg.com/products/default...ction=products

    Now someone could say that the overall length is not 26-1/4", but then you have to notice the word "and" in the quote "An October 27, 2010, letter from the Firearms Technology Branch ruled that such a firearm, with a 17" barrel and 26-1/4" overall length, was not subject to the National Firearms Act." The mossberg 500 doesn't have BOTH a 17" barrel AND an overall length of 26-1/4", so it doesn't fall into that category. It could if the word "and" was replaced with "or", but it wasn't. BTW, I don't know what the overall length of the mossberg 500 is, but it still doesn't fall into category because of its 18.5" barrel, according to mossberg.
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    Take either one of the 'regular' shotguns... Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 series; Fit them with 18.5" factory barrels and an aftermarket pistol grip and they'll both exceed 26.25" by about an inch and change. The manner in which this BATF thing is crafted appears to be a deliberate attempt at re-direction of focus to make it appear that the pistol grip is the problem, when it's actually the barrel length. I know of no commercial barrel in civilian use under 18" in length. That's the minimum standard and has been for a LONG time. The barrel on my 870 was purchased in VA back in '82 or '83. It's stamped 'For Law Enforcement Use Only' on the top of he barrel (or words to that effect).

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    So, like I asked earlier, it IS Pistol Grip AND Barrel/Overall length, not JUST the pistol grip? In otherwords, all the Pursuader kits are still good to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeroHog View Post
    So, like I asked earlier, it IS Pistol Grip AND Barrel/Overall length, not JUST the pistol grip? In otherwords, all the Pursuader kits are still good to go.
    Yeah. 'Got a tape measure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonora Rebel View Post
    Yeah. 'Got a tape measure?
    Would ya believe I DO carry one with me all the time?
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