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    Ann Coulter cites Gun Control to highlight TSA nonsense

    From: Napolitano: The Ball's in My Court Now

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    You can't stop a terrorist attack by searching for the explosives any more than you can stop crime by taking away everyone's guns.

    In the 1970s, liberal ideas on crime swept the country. Gun owners were treated like criminals while actual criminals were coddled and released. If only we treated criminals with dignity and respect and showed them the system was fair, liberals told us, criminals would reward us with good behavior.

    As is now well known, crime exploded in the '70s. It took decades of conservative law-and-order policies to get crime back to near-1950s levels.

    It's similarly pointless to treat all Americans as if they're potential terrorists while trying to find and confiscate anything that could be used as a weapon. We can't search all passengers for explosives because Muslims stick explosives up their anuses. (Talk about jobs Americans just won't do.)

    You have to search for the terrorists.

    Engaging as always, that's Miss Coulter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    No. It is in the hands of your local TSA screener.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    From: Napolitano: The Ball's in My Court Now

    We can't search all passengers for explosives because Muslims stick explosives up their anuses. (Talk about jobs Americans just won't do.)


    TFred

    In that case, there is no reason that a cavity search should not be the next safety measure from the geniuses. While they are at it, best search everyone that gets near an airport. Safety first right.
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    A few things Anne is missing. The sexual revolution with millions of unwanted youth and single mother families coincided with skyrocketing crime.

    Legalized abortion seems to have stemmed that tide.

    Read-Freakonomics for the complete break down on this.

    P.S. I abhor abortion personally but facts are facts.
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    http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/744426

    What Israel can teach us about security, a very good read and it is something we really need to look into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zack991 View Post
    http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/744426

    What Israel can teach us about security, a very good read and it is something we really need to look into.
    A very good read and all I can say is a hearty, "AMEN!!".

    Would it not be cost-effective to hire some Israeli experts to set up our airport security and then train our people as they have trained theirs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRetired View Post
    A very good read and all I can say is a hearty, "AMEN!!".

    Would it not be cost-effective to hire some Israeli experts to set up our airport security and then train our people as they have trained theirs?
    Train our US military to do this job till then and if anything happens most are experts in handling high risk events to begin with and have the training to take down any possible threat.
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    Personally, I think JMB (John Moses Browning) Airlines is in order. One question needs to be asked.

    Agent: Are you armed?

    Passenger: No

    Agent: You should be. Here, take this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRetired View Post
    Would it not be cost-effective to hire some Israeli experts to set up our airport security and then train our people as they have trained theirs?
    It would certainly be more effective. We Americans must politicize everything. Israel lacks this luxury.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    A few things Anne is missing. The sexual revolution with millions of unwanted youth and single mother families coincided with skyrocketing crime.

    Legalized abortion seems to have stemmed that tide.

    Read-Freakonomics for the complete break down on this.

    P.S. I abhor abortion personally but facts are facts.
    No, the drop in crime coincided with an over 400% increase in shall issue states. Crime peaked during the 90s, long after abortion became legal in most places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    It would certainly be more effective. We Americans must politicize everything. Israel lacks this luxury.
    I could not agree more with this.

    The pervasive culture of Political Correctness, as well as the entitlement society that we have built here in the United States are only possible when your country is an extremely wealthy and undisputed world power that is immune to attack by foreign enemies. Neither of those conditions are true any longer, but the benefactors of those traits simply do not understand that those were the conditions that allowed them to come about in the first place.

    It is ultimately ironic that those who most strongly embrace those traits specifically wish to destroy both of the conditions that allowed them to come to exist in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodbender View Post
    Personally, I think JMB (John Moses Browning) Airlines is in order. One question needs to be asked.

    Agent: Are you armed?

    Passenger: No

    Agent: You should be. Here, take this.
    Read this as if it were lines from the Airplane movies spoofing Airport! adding to the question above LOL

    ticket agent: "Semi-Auto or Revolver?"
    passenger: (insert YOUR answer here)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodbender View Post
    Personally, I think JMB (John Moses Browning) Airlines is in order.
    Agent: Are you armed?
    Passenger: No
    Agent: You should be. Here, take this.
    LOL! I've been saying that to provide real security, airlines should issue every adult passenger a single-shot pistol with plane-safe ammo as they board (& retrieve it as they leave). Pacifists can opt out with no embarassing sexual assaults by the TSA.

    Maybe there could be a sub-unit of Frontier Airlines with planes having pistols on their empennage instead of animals: JMB, S&W, Colt... For those who want TRUE safety while flying.

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    No need for "plane safe ammo." It is very hard for handgun ammo to significantly damage a commercial airliner. It is very easy for a terrorist who takes over an airliner to damage it and everyone aboard.

    I'd rather be on an airplane where I know everyone is armed than be on one where the TSA thinks no one is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DustoneGT View Post
    No, the drop in crime coincided with an over 400% increase in shall issue states. Crime peaked during the 90s, long after abortion became legal in most places.
    That could be a factor, but it takes years for abortion effect to take place as pointed out in The book freakonomics. There would be no immediate drop you would have to wait 'till the age of the would be unwanted babies grow up old enough to be committing crimes in late teens through 30's to measure the actual effect.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Coulter-who *yawn* She makes tons of money blaming liberals for everything. I wonder, how did the war on drugs work for Conservatives again (one example (there are many) of Conservative failures)? Utter failure that is...kinda like Coulter's demogoguery is an utter failure in the substance department, but abundant in rhetoric. Just another trash-talker making millions of bucks a year.

    TSA looking through our panties, while they are on, is nonsense. But this train left the station under George W. Bush. If the backlash is long lasting, the government will correct itself...chances are, given the short attention span of the average American, plan on being felt-up before boarding a plane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Coulter-who *yawn* She makes tons of money blaming liberals for everything. I wonder, how did the war on drugs work for Conservatives again (one example (there are many) of Conservative failures)? Utter failure that is...kinda like Coulter's demogoguery is an utter failure in the substance department, but abundant in rhetoric. Just another trash-talker making millions of bucks a year.

    TSA looking through our panties, while they are on, is nonsense. But this train left the station under George W. Bush. If the backlash is long lasting, the government will correct itself...chances are, given the short attention span of the average American, plan on being felt-up before boarding a plane.
    Oh, I agree, this is squarely in King George's lap. But that doesn't change the fact that Obama and his progressive buddies haven't lifted a finger to do ANYTHING about the curtailment of rights under the previous regime, and in fact, have worked on increasing them. The Patriot Act is still in full force, and as we can see, the nonsense we are required to endure before being allowed to travel about the country is only getting worse and worse. This latest affront is primarily the work of a non-elected bureaucrat deciding that he knows what's best for our safety, with nary a peep from the White House.

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    I agree that the train left the station under Bush 43, but Obama opened the throttle. I thought he said something about not liking the Patriot Act while campaigning. Guess I was on drugs or something because Obama never lies.
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    Author Jerry Pournelle suggests issuing every adult passenger a ball-peen hammer. Hard to poke holes in the plane with it, or negligently shoot a stewardess, but plenty lethal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elkad View Post
    Author Jerry Pournelle suggests issuing every adult passenger a ball-peen hammer. Hard to poke holes in the plane with it, or negligently shoot a stewardess, but plenty lethal.
    Poking hole in a plane is not nearly the danger that folks think it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    No. It is in the hands of your local TSA screener.
    [giggle]

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodbender View Post
    I agree that the train left the station under Bush 43, but Obama opened the throttle. I thought he said something about not liking the Patriot Act while campaigning. Guess I was on drugs or something because Obama never lies.
    I think Obama has run into the same issue all Presidents run into; they make campaign statements that are based on an outside view off the circumstances, then once they enter the White House, well, we see the results with every newly elected President v. campain "promises" or speeches.

    He appears to have thought he was going to be able to do certain things that are not as easily deconstructed once they are established. A few examples: The Patriot Act, Guantamino Bay, Iraq war.

    Once power is given over to the government--through The Patriot Act--historically, it seems the government tends to put up a fight when it is demanded by the public to back away from the powers given. The Patriot Act was a knee-jerk reaction that Americans are going to pay for many years by having their rights infringed upon.

    All politicians have ideas of what they are going to do while in office, most of those things are not followed through with because of the social mood, politics, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    I think Obama has run into the same issue all Presidents run into; they make campaign statements that are based on an outside view off the circumstances, then once they enter the White House, well, we see the results with every newly elected President v. campain "promises" or speeches.

    He appears to have thought he was going to be able to do certain things that are not as easily deconstructed once they are established. A few examples: The Patriot Act, Guantamino Bay, Iraq war.

    Once power is given over to the government--through The Patriot Act--historically, it seems the government tends to put up a fight when it is demanded by the public to back away from the powers given. The Patriot Act was a knee-jerk reaction that Americans are going to pay for many years by having their rights infringed upon.

    All politicians have ideas of what they are going to do while in office, most of those things are not followed through with because of the social mood, politics, etc.
    You have excuses for your guiy, but if it were a Rep., would you have an excuse....not no but , HELL NO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodbender View Post
    You have excuses for your guiy, but if it were a Rep., would you have an excuse....not no but , HELL NO.
    You think? There are MANY Obama-policies that I absolutely do not agree with. I am an equal opportunity disagree'r. I think some people are under the impression that I am fine with whatever Obama does...NOPE!

    I would tell you what those policies are, but this is not the thread for it.

    I prefer to use the bean between my ears over excusing the totality of an issue for the sake of a convenient conclusion. I may not articulate my stance well or use proper sentence structure and punctuation, but I use my brain to reason to its highest ability.
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    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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