What does, a dog, no knock, WAC, and ATF, have in common?

1245A Defender said:

i have no cites, very little info, and this isnt even first hand!

a friend of my friend is a WAC member,
early this morning ATF broke down his door,
shot his dog,
almost shot him,
took all his guns,
didnt arrest him.

reason given, that he sells gun "to make a profit"!

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gogodawgs said:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2013474923_gundealer20m.html

A 68-year-old Olympia gun dealer, who is believed to have sold the rifle that was used to kill Seattle police Officer Timothy Brenton last year, was arrested Friday for selling firearms to people prohibited from owning them, according to the U.S. Attorney's Office.
Federal prosecutors said David Devenny knew that both purchasers — a felon and a person with a domestic-violence conviction — were prohibited from owning weapons when he made the sales. Both purchasers were working with law enforcement officials at the time of the sales in February and November, the U.S. Attorney's Office said.
At the time of the Devenny's arrest, federal agents recovered 42 guns and $32,000 in cash.
Devenny will make his initial appearance Friday afternoon in U.S. District Court in Tacoma. Prosecutors will ask that he remain in custody pending a detention hearing next week, according to the U.S. Attorney's Office.
According to the criminal complaint, Seattle police and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives notified Devenny that a rifle previously owned by him was used to kill Brenton and wound his partner, Officer Britt Sweeney, on Oct. 31, 2009. Devenny allegedly sold the customized Kel-Tec .223-caliber semi-automatic rifle at a gun show in Puyallup one week before Brenton was killed in his patrol car.
Christopher Monfort was arrested in Tukwila six days after the shooting and charged with Brenton's slaying. King County Prosecuting Attorney Dan Satterberg plans to seek the death penalty against him.
Monfort was not named in Devenny's criminal complaint. Monfort was not prohibited from buying or owning firearms.
"This is about public safety. Illegal gun sales are a threat to our police and our communities," U.S. Attorney Jenny Durkan said in a news release. "We will continue to prosecute felons who possess guns illegally. And we will prosecute the people who put those guns in their hands."
According to the criminal complaint, Devenny came to the attention of law enforcement while officers reviewed gun sales activity at gun shows throughout Western Washington.

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Aaron1124 said:

The U.S. Constitution is designed to be interpreted. If the Supreme Court feels that no knock warrants are still within the realms of the Constitution and the 4th Amendment, then I see absolutely nothing wrong with that, as long as sufficient evidence is presented to suggest it's the only reasonable option.

The power should be given to the State's, and organizations like the DEA should be abolished, leaving full Federal Authority to the FBI.

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olypendrew said:

No, I expect them to wait until he comes out, and arrest him then.

The only reason we have no knock warrants is because drugs can be easily flushed down the toilet. There's not much other evidence that can be so easily destroyed. When it comes to the War on Drugs, the Fourth Amendment doesn't really apply.

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BigDave said:

As Paul Harvey said so well, Now For The Rest of the Story!

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Aaron1124 said:

Yes. I agree. This is the best way to put it. For those COMPLETELY against no knock warrants, I ask you - Do you expect police officers to endanger their lives by announcing their presence at the door of a crazed lunatic who will not hesitate to send rounds through their doors and walls?

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When undercover agents asked him about selling to people with criminal backgrounds, Devenny said, "I really don't care. Don't ask, don't tell. If I don't know, then there's nothing wrong with it."
full story

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BigDave said:

This is a pretty damming statement!



If this is proven to be correct then I cannot see how anyone could support him and his actions.

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BigDave said:

This is a pretty damming statement!



If this is proven to be correct then I cannot see how anyone could support him and his actions.

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sudden valley gunner said:

Wrong it was not designed to be interpreted. You interpret whether new scenarios laws etc hold up to the constitution you don't interpret the constitution.

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devildoc5 said:

Not necessarily Dave. He stated something that MANY others have stated previously (and we dont know how the question was worded either btw). He simply said if he didn't know it was ok.

That is actually what it states in the law "anyone who sells a firearm to someone they know wold be prohibited from owning firearms" Or something to that affect, can't find it right now, but it does state KNOWS. Doesn't state any where in there that you have to go and play Magnum PI to try and see if the guy is authorized or not....

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BigDave said:

All we have to go by at this point is what we get from the news tonight.

From what I gather the selling of the gun to Monfort who later killed Officer Brenton is not the story at hand, just additional damming information in the public's view and I do not believe charges are stemming from that according to the story.

Federal agents from the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms say Devenny was arrested for illegally selling guns to a felon and someone with a restraining order against them.
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I am sure there is supporting video and/or audio to support these claims by the ATF.



http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/unlicensed-persons.html#gca-unlicensed-transfer

Unlicensed Persons Questions

Q: To whom may an unlicensed person transfer firearms under the GCA?

A person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of his State, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may loan or rent a firearm to a resident of any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may sell or transfer a firearm to a licensee in any State. However, a firearm other than a curio or relic may not be transferred interstate to a licensed collector.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(d), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]

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gogodawgs said:

Here is what I see the Obama BATF doing in this case...
They will use this to exploit the 'gun show loophole' or the private sales of firearms....
be prepared.

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devildoc5 said:

See? We don't ALWAYS disagree...I was thinking the EXACT same thing...the first step in their march towards dearmification of the nation....

First step in any com...never mind...

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gogodawgs said:

Here is what I see the Obama BATF doing in this case...
They will use this to exploit the 'gun show loophole' or the private sales of firearms....
be prepared.

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joeroket said:

same guy??

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Onl...o-suspected-Seattle-cop-killer-109243184.html

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antispam540 said:

I'm a hacker, and I build robots. Also, even though "mantraps" are illegal, it's not a mantrap if there's a human there to push the button.

I don't have the option where I live now, but when I have a place of my own, anyone entering my home unannounced can expect four rifles to open fire with PiR-guided accuracy. I won't even have to leave my bed.

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