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    Ponderosa Steakhouse in Ludington robbed

    http://www.wzzm13.com/news/news_stor...storyid=140270

    Don't need an AR15 at Ponderosa Steakhouse they said...

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    Of course you don't... until you do
    Anything I post may be my opinion and not the law... you are responsible to do your own verification.

    Blackstone (1753-1765) maintains that "the law holds that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

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    Matthew Dustin Case looks like he had Daim Brammage....
    Too bad he didn't walk in during an OC dinner event, he might have soiled himself.


    Quote Originally Posted by office888 View Post
    http://www.wzzm13.com/news/news_stor...storyid=140270

    Don't need an AR15 at Ponderosa Steakhouse they said...
    Exo 22:2 "If anyone catches a thief breaking in and hits him so that he dies, he is not guilty of murder.
    Luke 22:36: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luk 11:21 "When a strong man, with all his weapons ready, guards his own house, all his belongings are safe.

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    yup bailenforcer rob at a oc dinner, leave in a squad car or a ambulance, i would say it would be the criminals choice !
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    Quote Originally Posted by office888 View Post
    http://www.wzzm13.com/news/news_stor...storyid=140270

    Don't need an AR15 at Ponderosa Steakhouse they said...
    Only if it's an ar-15 pistol and it is properly holstered.

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    i have been having the worst couple of weeks and this made me smile. not the fact that an establishment got robbed, i just remembered how the ponderosa we went to treated us like bad guys when we tried to go there. LOL

    hope they catch him

    Devery

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwikrnu View Post
    Only if it's an ar-15 pistol and it is properly holstered.
    ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremy05 View Post
    ???
    It is illegal to carry a rifle or a pistol which is not properly holstered on this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailenforcer View Post
    Matthew Dustin Case looks like he had Daim Brammage....
    Too bad he didn't walk in during an OC dinner event, he might have soiled himself.
    people do that when they die, or are really really scared, the guy might have looked like the cat at left

    Quote Originally Posted by mastiff69 View Post
    yup bailenforcer rob at a oc dinner, leave in a squad car or a ambulance, i would say it would be the criminals choice !
    hmm, theres always the 3rd option,,,,,,, starts with c and ends with r

    Quote Originally Posted by kwikrnu View Post
    It is illegal to carry a rifle or a pistol which is not properly holstered on this forum.
    how do you holster an ar-15??
    But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Declaration of Independence July 4, 1776

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    Quote Originally Posted by NHCGRPR45 View Post
    how do you holster an ar-15??
    Make a kydex holster. There are holsters for iver johnsons and plr-16's.

    I'm going to buy some sheets of the stuff and make one for my .308 pistol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwikrnu View Post
    Make a kydex holster. There are holsters for iver johnsons and plr-16's.

    I'm going to buy some sheets of the stuff and make one for my .308 pistol.

    i actually meant an AR-15 rifle, not an AR pistol.
    But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Declaration of Independence July 4, 1776

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    Quote Originally Posted by NHCGRPR45 View Post
    i actually meant an AR-15 rifle, not an AR pistol.
    It is illegal to talk about the carry of rifles on this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwikrnu View Post
    It is illegal to talk about the carry of rifles on this forum.
    Are you sniffing glue?

    You must be jesting....
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    Are you sniffing glue?

    You must be jesting....
    I believe he meant "illegal" as in against the owner's wishes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manicdevery View Post
    i have been having the worst couple of weeks and this made me smile. not the fact that an establishment got robbed, i just remembered how the ponderosa we went to treated us like bad guys when we tried to go there. LOL

    hope they catch him

    Devery
    If you're talking about THE Ponderosa incident I don't believe the restaurant treated people badly. They simply called the non-emergency number and asked if it was legal. They even specifically requested a car NOT be sent. It was the Lansing PD that went off the deep end.

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    Holster an AR 5 requires a special needs holster. see picture


    Quote Originally Posted by NHCGRPR45 View Post
    people do that when they die, or are really really scared, the guy might have looked like the cat at left



    hmm, theres always the 3rd option,,,,,,, starts with c and ends with r



    how do you holster an ar-15??
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    Exo 22:2 "If anyone catches a thief breaking in and hits him so that he dies, he is not guilty of murder.
    Luke 22:36: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luk 11:21 "When a strong man, with all his weapons ready, guards his own house, all his belongings are safe.

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    I couldn't find any Michigan or Federal laws that prohibit the discussion of rifles on this site...


    Quote Originally Posted by kwikrnu View Post
    It is illegal to talk about the carry of rifles on this forum.
    Exo 22:2 "If anyone catches a thief breaking in and hits him so that he dies, he is not guilty of murder.
    Luke 22:36: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luk 11:21 "When a strong man, with all his weapons ready, guards his own house, all his belongings are safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailenforcer View Post
    I couldn't find any Michigan or Federal laws that prohibit the discussion of rifles on this site...
    Post some pictures, videos and commentary of you open carrying a rifle on the forum and john will stick you in opencarry prison. Just going by the video he starred in earlier this year he may have his way with you too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailenforcer View Post
    I couldn't find any Michigan or Federal laws that prohibit the discussion of rifles on this site...
    It is not a law in the legal sense, it is against the forum rules. I suggest you give them a thorough reading. This website belongs to the owners and they make the rules, we are guests here. If you don't want to play by the rules you will be asked to leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruby View Post
    It is not a law in the legal sense, it is against the forum rules. I suggest you give them a thorough reading. This website belongs to the owners and they make the rules, we are guests here. If you don't want to play by the rules you will be asked to leave.
    What a concept! Private property rights still do exist!

    Don't let sone people around here know about that. They'll insist the private property rights be forfeited in the name of "public accommodation" and their rights being "violated" (by someone else asserting their own rights).

    Not to detail this thread, but I have to call out Bail enforcer. If a private property/public accommodation owner has no rights to prohibit you from carrying on their property (2A) what right do the operators of THIS public accommodation have to limit what you say here (1A)?

    Maybe you'll say they have no such right? If you argue they do have that right, I'd be shocked as that would be horribly logically inconsistent of you...
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    Rights in general only protect you from the Govt. Not your peers outside of the Govt.
    Anything I post may be my opinion and not the law... you are responsible to do your own verification.

    Blackstone (1753-1765) maintains that "the law holds that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

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    Quote Originally Posted by autosurgeon View Post
    Rights in general only protect you from the Govt. Not your peers outside of the Govt.
    Tell that to the folks who say we can force any public accommodation (private business) to allow open carry. They're around here. Some are in the leadership of MOC. Don't strain yourself looking.
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    good pick bail, but i believe thats for a MP5K could have the model number wrong of course, and i was being somewhat sarcxastic about the ar 15 holster thing, i use a blackhawk weapon catch when sporting my AR's, i am pretty sure i said something about the blackhawk weapon catch's on an older thread, they work great and cover the trigger guard so its nice for that thing we can't talk about, and it works very well with MI pistols
    But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Declaration of Independence July 4, 1776

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    well ar type MI pistols anyway!
    But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Declaration of Independence July 4, 1776

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    Wait a minute you being sarcastic, I refuse to believe that...

    yes that is the lovely mp5k and I get all warm and fuzzy feeling when I touch those lol... That would be my Sunday go to meetin weapon of choice.


    Quote Originally Posted by NHCGRPR45 View Post
    good pick bail, but i believe thats for a MP5K could have the model number wrong of course, and i was being somewhat sarcxastic about the ar 15 holster thing, i use a blackhawk weapon catch when sporting my AR's, i am pretty sure i said something about the blackhawk weapon catch's on an older thread, they work great and cover the trigger guard so its nice for that thing we can't talk about, and it works very well with MI pistols
    Exo 22:2 "If anyone catches a thief breaking in and hits him so that he dies, he is not guilty of murder.
    Luke 22:36: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luk 11:21 "When a strong man, with all his weapons ready, guards his own house, all his belongings are safe.

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