I think i'd be contacting a lawyer about that "arrest".
Thread: Nevada DMV accepts open carry
This isn't the first time I've carried openly at the DMV.
I filled out my forms to renew my license, (I was required to do it in person because of my age), and came to the counter, he looked over my form and said it looked fine, and I got my number.
It was a short line, I was #G124, they were on G113 when I got it. Someone was talking to me about the fact that I was carrying so I was telling him how it is legal in the DMV so long as it is carried openly. I was just telling him about what happened last time I came to the DMV and was pulling out the laws when the DMV officer comes up and asks me if I'm carrying a gun.
Yes sir, I am.
He tells me I can't have a gun in the DMV, and I tell him I can legally do so. He tells me to show him the law that says so, so I hand him a copy of 202.3673 and tell him I'm not a permittee and I'm not carrying concealed.
He tells me I have to put my gun back in my car, so I tell him he'll have to arrest me.
He says, okay, come with me.
I say, can I grab my stuff first?
He says yes, so I'm grabbing my stuff and the guy I was talking to offers to be a witness, so I say sure and give him a piece of paper to write his name and contact information on. The officer is getting impatient, so I tell him I'll be there in just a moment.
I walk to the back room with him, and the lady there is telling him, "yep he's been here before, nothing we can do about it if it is carried openly." She asks me, "You were here before, right?" I say yes.
He tells me I shouldn't carry at the DMV because it scares people, I point at his gun, and I bring up the point that he's got a gun. He tells me he works there and its required. I asked him if he would bring it if it was optional, and he said no! I found that amusing. Anyway, I told him I like to carry my gun everywhere.
The lady says they can't make me put my gun away, but they can expedite me to the front of the line. I told her it wouldn't be fair to the other customers, but I'd do it if they wanted me to. She insisted. They escorted me to a desk. By the time we got out the number said #G123 on the screen, so I pointed out that my number was up next. So they waited the ten seconds for the number to switch over.
I did my transaction, (unwisely, I had filled out the form in pencil, so they made me fill it out again,) and then proceeded towards the photo booth and got my picture taken, and left.
Last time I came they wanted to expedite me too. It isn't fair for them to expedite us to the front of the line.
Last edited by Felid`Maximus; 11-27-2010 at 12:26 PM. Reason: Title changed by Mike.
I think i'd be contacting a lawyer about that "arrest".
If you had no other reason to OC, being expedited at the DMV sounds like a great reason! Although I've been OC at DMV probably 4 or 5 times in both Henderson and W Flamingo and neither time was I offered such a reward for my patriotism.
Good info. I have to actually go there every year to register my Hummer because they can't seem to get it through there thick skulls that it's smog exempt untill they see the reg at the exemption office, maybe inspect it by looking out the window and write the little permission slip which has to be turned in at the time of reg. No checking it off in the computer or making a note of it. The first tiem I went to smog it the tech waived me off and out of line then told me they were exempt and to go to DMV. The tech knew but the DMV main office NOPE. I think after last years 2hr wait I WILL be OC.
This is good info. Great way of handling it. Thanks for sharing it. So many say it scares people. Too bad those could not have been with the group while we were at the Fremont Experience as we walked by hundreds of crowed people. No one gave a care. A few were surprised by all of the open carried firearms however did not move or run away, funny way of showing fear. I have open carried at the Pahrump DMV received great service not one comment on my firearm.
This is interesting. I think I will be OC'ing at the DMV from now on >=)
"You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence."
-- Charles A. Beard
DMV = DOL(Dept of Licensing) here in Washington. I went in with my kids to get the "enhanced ID's & License." The DOL shares it facility with State Patrol office. While waiting a supervisor went and got a state patrol officer and pointed me out. His words "Its legal" and left. I was expedited to the front of the line to get me and my gun out of there.
What's with all the talking to the security-theater person? Say this to him and turn away:
"Go away kid, you bother me."
I think you handled that perfectly,you didnt get excited or rude,keep up the great work
& the DMV is posted , I thought that gov't buildings can ban gun carry!?
Wow, just read the NRS-you're right! that damn security guard seemed like an idiot the first time I talked to him, I hate it when I am wrong on gun law.
Still, I would like to go with you there sometime and watch you do it before I do it. I'll do almost anything to get to the front of the line!
NRS 202.3673 applies ONLY to concealed weapon license holders, and then only to those CCW license holders who are carrying concealed (emphasis added below):
NRS 202.3673 Permittee authorized to carry concealed firearm while on premises of public building; exceptions; penalty.
1. Except as otherwise provided in subsections 2 and 3, a permittee may carry a concealed firearm while the permittee is on the premises of any public building.......
It does not apply to those without a CCW license, nor those with CCW licenses who are not presently carrying concealed.
Further, under NRS 244.364, NRS 268.418, and NRS 269.222, the State Legislature reserves for itself the sole authority to regulate (among other things, carry & possession) firearms in the state. The DMV has no authority to restrict the carry of weapons by non-CCW holders or CCW holders who are not carrying concealed.
Yep. I think we're all in agreement here about it - any policy they try to make about firearms not already a part of state law is arguably void.
And it's not like the DMV is a private business where the manager may choose to refuse service for any reason; a person's got no choice but to go there for anything more complicated than a tag renewal - so there's no operation in law to let them throw you out. Unless you're causing a disturbance (in which case, you'd just get arrested, and not thrown out anyway). Which peacefully & lawfully carrying OC isn't.
Have we discovered the magic way to skip the wait? Don't tell anybody; otherwise everybody would start carrying at the DMV ...
Perhaps a litter pickup outside the Sahara DMV? Draw some media attention to the fact that the DMV wishes to extend the ban on concealed carry to include open carry.
once I see other people doing it without going to jail
Well next week could be eventful I have to register the Gxp by the december the second so I will be packin the g23
sounds like i'll be OCing at the DMV next time!! getting moved to the front of the line sounds like a great reward for exercising our rights!
I had to go in yesterday ( see prvious post about H1) I walked right by the security guard in the info line and headed over to sit and wait. No luck with being moved to the front. I'm glad it wasn't a freakin zoo like usual. I was in and out in 25min. Yes the guard saw me he did keep an eye on me as I waited but never said a word.
Oh well better luck next year as I will have to get my smog exemption again as there is no way to make a change in the computer to recognise it as exempted.
I Had a contact with the DMV prior to this, as they had a problem in one of their driver handbooks. I had also previously asked them to substantiate the "driving is a privlidge claim. so we have had a little conversation.
After reading this thread, I decided to write a letter. (that scares the guys on here that know my grammer) Well today I recieved a letter back, and it appears to be Great!
You are correct. We are in the process of changing the signs.
Chief Public Information Officer
Nevada Dept. of Motor Vehicles
From: XXXXX XXXXXXX [mailto:email@example.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:59 AM
Subject: Signs at the DMV
To Whom it may concern,
It has come to my attention, that the "No Firearms" signs posted in the windows and entrances, of the DMV offices, are contrary and misleading, and are not aligned with state law.
The sign your Dept. posts, cites the NRS 202.3673, as not allowing any firearms in the building. Upon reading the Statute, it appears that the statute in question is limited to "concealed" firearms, and the permit-tees of such.
While it is established that getting a concealed (permission slip) carry permit is the common way to go. some Nevadan's Choose not to hide their rights in their pocket nor under their shirt, This right has been acknowledged by the Nevada State Constitution.
Article1 Section 11
Sec. 11. Right to keep and bear arms; civil power supreme.
1. Every citizen has the right to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes.
2. The military shall be subordinate to the civil power; No standing army shall be maintained by this State in time of peace, and in time of War, no appropriation for a standing army shall be for a longer time than two years.
[Amended in 1982. Proposed and passed by the 1979 legislature; agreed to and passed by the 1981 legislature; and approved and ratified by the people at the 1982 general election. See: Statutes of Nevada 1979, p. 1986; Statutes of Nevada 1981, p. 2083.]
The DMV building is a public building, and not prohibited from weapons like a school or Court. This fact makes your sign "below" innaccurate. It is true that the state does indeed have the power to regulate "concealed" weapons, I ask that your signs be changed to accuratly reflect the law that is Cited.
Last edited by DON`T TREAD ON ME; 12-21-2010 at 07:05 PM.
i open carried my glock 22 today at the Reno dmv office. had the security officer come up and give me this. maid my day go fast:cool