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    Two suspects in hospital after being shot by bar owner

    Two suspects are in the hospital after being shot by a bar owner.

    The Sawyer County Sheriff's Department says this morning around 5:30, the department got a call from a woman at the Countryside Bar in the Town of Bass Lake stating there had been a break-in and shots were fired. The woman said there was one person lying on the ground.

    The department says around 5:40 a.m., there was another call from a woman at an address near the bar stating her son had been shot.

    After a preliminary investigation, the department determined the two shootings were related and both took place at the Countryside Bar. The department says two minor suspects had illegally entered the bar with the notion of stealing alcohol and money. The two suspects were eventually confronted by the bar owner, who in turn shot the suspects.

    The department says both suspects were taken to a hospital. One was shot in the ankle and groin area. His wounds were not life threatening. The second suspect was shot in the hand and neck. His condition is listed as critical.
    Story Update:
    Deputies say they expect numerous charges to be filed after a bar owner shot two boys for breaking in Tuesday morning.
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    Sawyer County sheriff's deputies say the owner of the Countryside Bar on County Road K, southeast of Hayward on the Lac Courte Oreilles Reservation, shot one boy in the ankle and groin area, and the other in the hand and neck.
    and then there is the typical what-if anti statement:
    “I don't worry about anybody coming at my house,” Wade said. “Just knowing that it was right there, I mean, what if one went stray or something?"
    http://www.weau.com/home/headlines/Two_110155879.html

    Follow up story, Can you shoot someone who breaks into your business or home?

    After a bar owner shoots two boys who investigators say were trying to steal money and alcohol, we looked into what the law says: Can you shoot someone who breaks into your business or home?

    Eau Claire County District Attorney Rich White says in Wisconsin you have the right to defend yourself and the right to defend your property. But, they're two very separate things.

    “There are no black and white rules here. I would never tell anyone you can use great bodily force if these circumstances apply or you can not. We don't do that. We can't do that,” White says.

    White says what he can tell us is what the law says.

    “The general rule of thumb is I can only use force intended to or likely to cause great bodily harm or death if I’m faced with an eminent threat or risk of great bodily harm or death,” White says.

    So what if you catch someone stealing from you?

    “In Wisconsin, you have a right to defend your property, however, and it's a big however, you have no right to use force likely or intended to bring about death or great bodily harm if all you're attempting to do is defend property,” White says.

    In other words, White says if you shoot at a burglar, you better have a better reason than trying to save your stuff. But, he stresses every case is different and has different circumstances and that’s what officers, prosecutors, judges and juries have to look at.

    “As much as people have a strong belief that you ought to be able to defend yourself and you ought to be able to defend your property, we can all agree that there have to be some reasonable limits to that. We can't have some sort of wild west situation where you can do whatever you want in response to any sort of provocation,” White says.

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    That is why we need "Stand Your ground" legislation.

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    Perhaps before people speak publicly about "the wild west" they should do a little background research on it. Often the myths about the wests violence and crimes are quite blown out of proportion and glamorized.
    I guess i'm just getting really tired of people spouting off "it's gonna be a wild west....blah blah blah" or "this isn't the wild west.....blood in the streets...shootouts....blah blah blah". If they did a little historical research they would find there is only like one or two accounts of a real "standoff". So are these people supposed to be referring to the historically real west that was actually quite calm, or the hollywood glamorized version?

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    As I see it, IMHO, a business owner caught 2 burglars in the act of burglary. He could have easily killed both, but chose to only wound them. I personally find no problems with his actions.
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    In my unprofessional opinion when a person tries to violate my rights, they should lose all of theirs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krusty View Post
    As I see it, IMHO, a business owner caught 2 burglars in the act of burglary. He could have easily killed both, but chose to only wound them. I personally find no problems with his actions.
    Shooting someone in the head and neck is trying to wound them? Heheheheh

    That said, Wisconsin needs a castle doctrine. If I encountered two burglars in the dark, I'd have shot them too.

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    A little silliness here as I have absolutely no personal knowledge of the situation...

    Several shots toward 2 different targets and one is struck in the hand and Neck, the other in the groin and ankle...

    Where her eyes even open as she was shooting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    A little silliness here as I have absolutely no personal knowledge of the situation...

    Several shots toward 2 different targets and one is struck in the hand and Neck, the other in the groin and ankle...

    Where her eyes even open as she was shooting?
    Not as silly as you would believe. There is a reason that the military uses man-sized silhouette targets and there is a reason that a low percentage of riflemen in Korea actually fired their weapons.

    It is hard to train a person to override our normal reluctance to take a human life. That is presuming that the person is not a psychopath. I would venture to say that, both times I went through Basic Combat Training (long story), there were at least ten to twenty per cent of those on the firing line for the first time who either closed their eyes or could not pull the trigger.

    Mind you, this was firing at a silhouette target and not at another human. Even after you get them to firing at the targets, there is still no guarantee that they will fire at the enemy.

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    I have never been required to fire at a LIVING THREAT TO DATE. I anticipate that it will be traumatic to me emotionally when I am unlucky enough for this to happen. I really do hope that my OC'ing will result in the BG seeing my weapon and LEAVING THE AREA without forcing me to take action!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRetired View Post
    is a reason that the military uses man-sized silhouette targets and there is a reason that a low percentage of riflemen in Korea actually fired their weapons.
    Hey now, I just got back from the range yesterday, and now am working a 24 hour shift. Just because they label the M18A1 "Face front toward enemy" doesn't mean I don't know how to use a rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nevinsb View Post
    Hey now, I just got back from the range yesterday, and now am working a 24 hour shift. Just because they label the M18A1 "Face front toward enemy" doesn't mean I don't know how to use a rifle.
    Hey nevin,
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    Thanks guys!

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    Even my insurance which is based in super liberal MA, recognizes the right to defend PERSONS and PROPERTY in the policy details! Unfortunately WI law is grey for defending property, the general rule of thumb is that a threat to personal safety must also exist. Unfortunately, it may be easier to let a guy steal your TV than turn your house into a biohazard zone from blood, and have cops crawling around your house looking for evidence to hang you out to dry on. If WI had a stand your ground law that applied to wherever you are, crime would continue to decline in profit.

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