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    Banning Poll

    Extremists.....we have all seen them and had run-ins with them on this forum....what do you think?

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    It is not our call. As long as folks don't violate the rules, they pretty much can say anything they want. It's up to the owners.

    When I find a poster's views ridiculous in their extremity, I just ignore the poster.

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    Hey Eye,

    Jump over to the Kwick Lawsuit thread.....would like your opionion.

    If not i understand.

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    Been there. You'll notice I tried to reason with him. I had him on ignore before he started the libel nonsense. He will be back there soon enough. Life would be better here without him, but ignore accomplishes that almost as well as a ban would.

    I don't agree with all of John's and Mike's decisions, but they are the owners and administer this site better than any other owners of any other site I've been on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Been there. You'll notice I tried to reason with him. I had him on ignore before he started the libel nonsense. He will be back there soon enough. Life would be better here without him, but ignore accomplishes that almost as well as a ban would.

    I don't agree with all of John's and Mike's decisions, but they are the owners and administer this site better than any other owners of any other site I've been on.
    I would still be honored with your thoughts on mine and his posts on page 7 and 8. If not thats ok i understand you stance on him and his thoughts, just would like others to see that he needs dealt with before he becomes a statistic and a thorn in this forums side.

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    You have made your point and he is not going to listen. If you keep arguing with him, your actions will give him credibility. So it is time to move on. Folks will see one poster being rational and the other being rash. You will never convince him, but you have already maximized your effect on other posters who read that thread, but don't respond.

    Like I said, you should just move on. Toss him on ignore if it will help.

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    You always have the option to ignore. Kwik seems a little high strung to me...just think people should calm down a bit, sometimes.

    I am not sure about your proposing that "extremists" be banned. Where do you draw the line? Ignore would be your best option, if you are not interested in what they have to post.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    it is not our call. As long as folks don't violate the rules, they pretty much can say anything they want. It's up to the owners.

    When i find a poster's views ridiculous in their extremity, i just ignore the poster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    You always have the option to ignore. Kwik seems a little high strung to me...just think people should calm down a bit, sometimes.

    I am not sure about your proposing that "extremists" be banned. Where do you draw the line? Ignore would be your best option, if you are not interested in what they have to post.
    Who are you to call Kwik names? YOU SHOULD BE BANNED FOR NAME CALLING AND LIBEL!!! I mean really now, is it that extreme to think you should be able to carry a sawed off Kalashnikov "pistol" slung over your shoulder and attract no more attention than a guy carrying a glock? Not only is this guy not an extremist, he's even brilliant enough to post memos with his full name, written (I assume) by a PD that REGRETS that it cannot verify he's not been charged for a DV crime, on an internet forum.

    If THAT isn't a perfect illustration of the rational actions of a mainstream gun rights activist, I'll have to go tell Charles Manson, who's eating Fruity Pebbles at my dinning room table right now, that he has to go back to jail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrayingForWar View Post
    Who are you to call Kwik names? YOU SHOULD BE BANNED FOR NAME CALLING AND LIBEL!!! I mean really now, is it that extreme to think you should be able to carry a sawed off Kalashnikov "pistol" slung over your shoulder and attract no more attention than a guy carrying a glock? Not only is this guy not an extremist, he's even brilliant enough to post memos with his full name, written (I assume) by a PD that REGRETS that it cannot verify he's not been charged for a DV crime, on an internet forum.

    If THAT isn't a perfect illustration of the rational actions of a mainstream gun rights activist, I'll have to go tell Charles Manson, who's eating Fruity Pebbles at my dinning room table right now, that he has to go back to jail.
    I was thinking of something more along the lines of a Barrett M107, with 50 BMG Armor-Piercing-Incendiary rounds,when taking the kids to the park. You are so full of it, Manson likes Cocoa Pebbles.
    Last edited by Beretta92FSLady; 11-27-2010 at 06:23 PM.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Not to name any names, but I think we all know that there are a couple of our number who emulate the proverbial rodent in the outhouse. One or two have been banned from numerous other firearm/second amendment forums and, for the life of me, I cannot understand why they are still allowed to post on here.

    But that is me. It is John's and Mike's forum and I, for one, think they do an outstanding job under the time constraints they have.

    As others have said, and I reiterate; The "Ignore" feature is definitely your friend when it comes to some of our number.

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    I suggest we ban folks who suggest others be banne.....oh.....wait......

    Never mind.

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    Eye......carefull!

    I am kinda starting to like you and consider you one of the upstanding members and contributors....

    ok that was buzz talk....had a few..but keep it up...when i am sober...i just might agree with myself

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    Kwik, you should really be careful though. From what I have read(e) you seem to be seeking out interactions with LEO's. I see nothing wrong with exercising your right to carry, but seeking out interactions is not a good idea, especially with LEO's.

    Don't you think it is enough that throughout our daily lives we come into contact with LEO's, uneducated civilians, anti's, and people who target us for victimization?

    Don't be so kwik to look for confrontation...get it, kwik=quick, hardy har har Stay safe!
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Kwik, you should really be careful though. From what I have read(e) you seem to be seeking out interactions with LEO's. I see nothing wrong with exercising your right to carry, but seeking out interactions is not a good idea, especially with LEO's.

    Don't you think it is enough that throughout our daily lives we come into contact with LEO's, uneducated civilians, anti's, and people who target us for victimization?

    Don't be so kwik to look for confrontation...get it, kwik=quick, hardy har har Stay safe!
    Sorry but as i have read and been told Kwik loves confrontation....whether it be on the street with citizens.....LEO... or people on this forum. I kinda think he has confrontations with himself in the mirror...( and in Idaho he would not be allowed carry/own a firearm/weapon due to unstable mental condition).

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    Cool

    Essentially Mike and John have established rules and set limits for behavior on their forum.

    That should give everyone a basis for determining proper behavior and behavior demanding banishment.

    So long as one has not exceeded the established limits they SHOULD NOT be banned.

    Some folks may find other folks posts distasteful, rude, improbable, even insane, but so long as they reasonably follow the established rules and stay within the forum limits, they should not be banned.

    It is, after all, 'rule of law' that the site is established on, not whim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomas View Post
    Essentially Mike and John have established rules and set limits for behavior on their forum.

    That should give everyone a basis for determining proper behavior and behavior demanding banishment.

    So long as one has not exceeded the established limits they SHOULD NOT be banned.

    Some folks may find other folks posts distasteful, rude, improbable, even insane, but so long as they reasonably follow the established rules and stay within the forum limits, they should not be banned.

    It is, after all, 'rule of law' that the site is established on, not whim.
    Ok don't take this rude, out of context, or any other way but a comparison.

    Muslims say they are good people....yet they have few in their religion that take things to the extreme.....are they banned? Or are they left alone to spread their hate and discontent until they are gone and deamed martor's?

    Just a thought.......Comparison.....take it as you will but think about it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimd_21 View Post
    Sorry but as i have read and been told Kwik loves confrontation....whether it be on the street with citizens.....LEO... or people on this forum. I kinda think he has confrontations with himself in the mirror...( and in Idaho he would not be allowed carry/own a firearm/weapon due to unstable mental condition).
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimd_21 View Post
    Ok don't take this rude, out of context, or any other way but a comparison.

    Muslims say they are good people....yet they have few in their religion that take things to the extreme.....are they banned? Or are they left alone to spread their hate and discontent until they are gone and deamed martor's?

    Just a thought.......Comparison.....take it as you will but think about it....
    I honestly have no idea how a comparison to Muslims crept in here (it could just as easily have been Christians), but my post was entirely about staying within the rules, and being banished only if one steps outside them.

    Are you asking about normal, rational Muslims who play entirely within the rules (laws), or are you asking about Muslims who do NOT stay within the rules (laws)? If you are asking about those who go to extremes and step outside the law, of course they should be banished.

    What were we talking about?
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    Well as i said..."take it as you will"

    For me, I carry a .40 in a serpa cqc and it hugs my side tight. I carry for protection, not to make a point or bring attention.

    So i could say my comparison would be to religious people who believe but who do not push their religion onto others. In all factions of organized groups their will be some that are...for simple terms "Over the Top"...and they are the one's who draw negative attention.

    Those who attract negative attention should not be encouraged and attended to. They should be shamed, showed their way's and taught the proper way to educate.

    It has been shown that the neglect to police within, no matter what faction, that "turning the blind eye" will result in negative attention to the faction and it's beliefs.

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    We've had all sorts of polls along these lines posted over the years, especially since member-moderators were eliminated. It comes down to this, if you feel strongly about someone being a problem, write a cogent email as to the issue and send it to Mike and John. It is their decision to counsel, restrict or ban the the perceived offender. As a fellow forum member you can engage the person within the rules of the forum or just ignore the person. That's it. Anything more is just venting.

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    Ok the issue of ignoring the problem....

    Ask the White House about that.....
    Ask the FBI about that....
    Ask the CIA about that...
    Ask School Principals about that...
    Ask School Teachers About that....
    Ask Parents about that.....
    Ask the Catholic church about that....
    Ask the people affected in all the school shooting's about that.....

    Typical of us Americans.....Ignore our problems and worry and funding others....

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    This is not even remotely like any of the things you listed. This is a privately owned forum. We post here at the sole discretion of Mike or John the forum owners. There is no preemption here. This is just like carrying on private property. You don't have to like if the owner of that property asks you to leave, sides with someone who doesn't like your carrying or stands by quietly while a fellow customer verbally abuses you but asks you to leave just because you say "darnit" in an agitated voice. It is their private property.

    That is the situation with the forum. No matter how many polls you post or how many people agree with you, it only matters if Mike and John agree with you. If they don't, your options are limited and many people find that "ignore" is their best option to not stress over the stuff they don't want to read.

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    I am not ignoring their property or the people on their property.

    In fact i am grateful for this forum and community and the learning experience.

    Just like a property owner allowing hunters to hunt on his property, I will respect his property and rules...but will have issues with people that ignore them.

    And i see the Second Amendment the same way. It is all our property, and will defend it from people who blatantly disrespect it or abuse it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimd_21 View Post
    I am not ignoring their property or the people on their property.

    In fact i am grateful for this forum and community and the learning experience.

    Just like a property owner allowing hunters to hunt on his property, I will respect his property and rules...but will have issues with people that ignore them.

    And i see the Second Amendment the same way. It is all our property, and will defend it from people who blatantly disrespect it or abuse it.
    I'm not saying you are ignoring it, but rather that there is nothing you can do about it beyond making the ownership aware of your concerns. I certainly understand and relate with your desire to defend the forum from such issues, however, that is beyond your power as just a forum member. I'm not criticizing your concerns or enthusiasm in the least, but rather trying to point out that you are whistling in a hurricane and in the end, the hurricane is unaffected and you are just frustrated and tired.

    Seriously, email your concerns to John and Mike and then just be done with worrying about it. Ignore or not as you will (I usually don't just in case there is an ideal moment for a wonderfully snarky comment) but I refuse to let myself get worked up about it. Whatever you want to do. Just trying to give you the benefit of my years on this and other similarly administered forums.

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