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Just in case - Open Carry - Kirkland Starbucks
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Tomas
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Good luck, and let us know! 
Tomas
Regular Member
I don't believe in that many coincidences, so I don't think you were being paranoid. :uhoh:
Metalhead47
Regular Member
OK so maybe that last cop wasn't after you at all, and just searching/proceeding/responding to an *actual* crime, but the rest of them! :banghead:
Sounds like that Starbucks didn't get the memo. Not to mention the cops.
A visibly armed person hanging around a store right at closing time might be enough to warrant contact of some sort, but not the whole "tacticool" routine. You already save Starbux your money, did someone on the crew honestly think you were going to steal it back? Especially if you paid with plastic!
Ruby
Regular Member
Perhaps they're just upset that you beat the charge and they're harrassing you. As long as they don't stop you, there's really very little you can do. Ater all, they have a right to drive where they please, and they will just deny it. I can see why you would be hyper vigilant after being stopped and charged. ( I don't know the details of your incident.) If you call headquarters you are just giving them the satisfaction of them knowing that they are getting to you. I would ignore it unless it continues indefinitely, at which time they would get a letter from me stating they can stop the harrassment or I will contact my attorney.
heresolong
Regular Member
Rather than asking them outright, why not start by requesting copies of the 911 logs for the time in question. That should tell you if they were called to Starbucks. If they were, you might then make an appointment with someone at the station and ask them why you are being followed. Might not hurt to have your lawyer present when you do, just to keep them honest.
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
This.
I have had similar here in Bellingham. The police don't like being on the wrong/loosing side of the stick, and they might be power tripping letting you know they are there watching you.
One time I got followed on to the freeway by Mall and followed off the freeway by McDonalds Iowa, so I started taking a meandering senseless course following all traffic laws carefully until they finally realized what I was doing and left.
amlevin
Regular Member
Sounds like all that happened is "You Got Looked Over" and then were left alone. At midnight, and closing time, if you were the last customer in the place, you might have gotten the "once over" anywhere in the country if you were open carrying.
You might take a close look your actions at that time of night. Some might say that sitting alone by the back entrance might be "suspicious" (although it's my preferred place to sit during the daytime) as well as your driving below the speed limit on a main arterial. That's one of the "tell-tales" that LEO's look for when trolling for drunks late at night.
If your activities are totally legal, just go about your way. Don't be overly paranoid about LEO's that come and go because they will key on any signs of nervousness on your part. THAT will almost certainly cause them to contact you.
As for all the "cop cars" on 148th, seeing as it is a main arterial in the area, it's only logical that there could be several there if they were responding to anything in the area. The fact that you left them behind when you turned off would indicate to most that they had other interests besides you.
You might take a close look your actions at that time of night. Some might say that sitting alone by the back entrance might be "suspicious" (although it's my preferred place to sit during the daytime) as well as your driving below the speed limit on a main arterial. That's one of the "tell-tales" that LEO's look for when trolling for drunks late at night.
If your activities are totally legal, just go about your way. Don't be overly paranoid about LEO's that come and go because they will key on any signs of nervousness on your part. THAT will almost certainly cause them to contact you.
As for all the "cop cars" on 148th, seeing as it is a main arterial in the area, it's only logical that there could be several there if they were responding to anything in the area. The fact that you left them behind when you turned off would indicate to most that they had other interests besides you.
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OrangeIsTrouble
Regular Member
Why do you have your ID ready?
Are you ready to obey the uncalled for demands of the police even though you are supposedly being legit in all ways?
Ask SVG about his "sterile" carry.
Don't go out by yourself, put yourself where there will be witnesses.
You already described a bad situation (patrol car in front not recording you). As if that recording would even stick around for long.
Recorder? Even if it is not a "spy/disguised" one, it will account for something. I use my gopro which is for sports, but picks up great sound even in my pocket. I also have a camera I can use for backup recording.
Maybe this is all BS, and they just wanted to be friends with you and find out what you are packing. Next time break the ice, by looking at them and sticking out your tongue, then you won't have to play cop and robber games!
Are you ready to obey the uncalled for demands of the police even though you are supposedly being legit in all ways?
Ask SVG about his "sterile" carry.
Don't go out by yourself, put yourself where there will be witnesses.
You already described a bad situation (patrol car in front not recording you). As if that recording would even stick around for long.
Recorder? Even if it is not a "spy/disguised" one, it will account for something. I use my gopro which is for sports, but picks up great sound even in my pocket. I also have a camera I can use for backup recording.
Maybe this is all BS, and they just wanted to be friends with you and find out what you are packing. Next time break the ice, by looking at them and sticking out your tongue, then you won't have to play cop and robber games!
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Jeff Hayes
Regular Member
Your not alone in feeling less safe when LEOs are around. I normally don't hang around any longer than I have to nor do I rush to leave, I just do my business and go.
Metalhead47
Regular Member
This is actually a good point. Maybe not sticking your tongue out, but some sort of casual "Hi, hoayadoin?" to the cops in the coffee shop
BigDave
Opt-Out Members
Nice assessment, sigfan along with your recent interaction with the Local PD I am sure there is some warranted paranoia do to the time being Midnight (for those who thought it was noon) closing time, lack of customers and likely someone other then employees or a new one made the call.
Keep in mind, time, place, circumstances and I can understand your reluctance of interactions with them but may have been a great way to dismiss misunderstandings.
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sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
Oh by the way don't smile at the cops, they will consider it suspicious behavior and in the last report I requested called it a "bizzarre grin". You can't win for trying.
P.S. I agree with NavyLT they got the memo everybody knows about it, they are trying to "show force" and intimidate, let him know they are watching him.
This happens to me here I don't post everything, but the cops here do the same.
P.S. I agree with NavyLT they got the memo everybody knows about it, they are trying to "show force" and intimidate, let him know they are watching him.
This happens to me here I don't post everything, but the cops here do the same.
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amlevin
Regular Member
“ The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. ”
Not only have some recent cases "not gone our way" I'm sure that in the future Courts will notice that term "unreasonable" and find that there are times, places, and circumstances, where requesting ID does not rise to that level.
A wise decision 'LT' and one that should be considered by a few more here.
heresolong
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Which town? My mum grew up in Canonsburg which, to put it nicely, is no longer a particularly nice town. I visited a couple summers ago to put some flowers on my grandparents' graves and with an eye towards seeing if I might want to move out that direction. Not so impressed.
Metalhead47
Regular Member
You would't necessarily have to "approach" them, I was thinking along the lines of smile & nod as you're walking towards the door, maybe make a friendly comment about the weather, something to deescalate the situation. This is where I do think you cross into paranoia, although based on your other statements I can certainly understand where you're coming from. Myself, I've yet to have a negative encounter with the police, even when I was in the wrong.
Actually I was referring to the Starbucks employees not getting the memo, the one where Starbucks doesn't want OCers harassed.
I think the police responds was COMPLETELY overblown, but given the circumstances I think an officer or two showing up to observe for a moment, perhaps initiate a voluntary conversation (same as I suggested the OP do), would not have been unreasonable.
amlevin
Regular Member
What situation needs to be "de-escalated"? If they haven't approached you, there is no "situation".
Go ahead and nod or make a friendly comment if that's what you do with everyone else. Otherwise I wouldn't go out of my way to make any special consideration. Ever consider that officers in uniform would like to just enjoy their coffee in peace? I've sat drinking coffee with officers while "riding along" and it was almost impossible to carry on a conversation with everyone passing by "just making friendly".
Just go about your business and RELAX! They will too.
gogodawgs
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So if you won a new gun at say 2pm you wouldn't provide a CPL, but say you won a new gun at 11pm you would?
:banana::banana:
devildoc5
Regular Member
Can I get a phonetic pronunciation of this pls?