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Rather than asking them outright, why not start by requesting copies of the 911 logs for the time in question. That should tell you if they were called to Starbucks. If they were, you might then make an appointment with someone at the station and ask them why you are being followed. Might not hurt to have your lawyer present when you do, just to keep them honest.
I find it interesting that I feel the least safe in this world when cops are around. Most would say it's because you must be up to no good. It's really that I expect that police are not only up to no good, but will have the political and sentimental coverage to do as they please.
Maybe this is all BS, and they just wanted to be friends with you and find out what you are packing. Next time break the ice, by looking at them and sticking out your tongue, then you won't have to play cop and robber games!
Sounds like all that happened is "You Got Looked Over" and then were left alone. At midnight, and closing time, if you were the last customer in the place, you might have gotten the "once over" anywhere in the country if you were open carrying.
You might take a close look your actions at that time of night. Some might say that sitting alone by the back entrance might be "suspicious" (although it's my preferred place to sit during the daytime) as well as your driving below the speed limit on a main arterial. That's one of the "tell-tales" that LEO's look for when trolling for drunks late at night.
If your activities are totally legal, just go about your way. Don't be overly paranoid about LEO's that come and go because they will key on any signs of nervousness on your part. THAT will almost certainly cause them to contact you.
As for all the "cop cars" on 148th, seeing as it is a main arterial in the area, it's only logical that there could be several there if they were responding to anything in the area. The fact that you left them behind when you turned off would indicate to most that they had other interests besides you.
I was going to ask about the ID/CPL concern as well. Now it makes sense. In response to the recent cases that have not gone our way, I have decided I will take into account all the circumstances during an encounter as to whether I will willingly waive my 4th amendment rights or not. Eating dinner in a restaurant at 6:00pm - no way. Doing something at a 7-11 at 11:00pm - yeah, I'll probably provide ID.
This is something I struggle with constantly. I grew up in a town outside of Pittsburgh where the police were not trustworthy, to put it nicely.
See my previous post. There is absolutely no way I would approach the police while carrying -- or likely in any other situation -- unless I absolutely had to. :uhoh:
I have to disagree with you Metalhead. I think the cops DID get the memo! Seems like they KNEW they had NO basis whatsoever to initiate contact with a person who was breaking no laws and they had no RAS to believe he was, he had, or he was about to. Who gives a darn if they show up and observe? Yes, it's unnerving to be under observation, but I would rather they didn't talk to me.
You would't necessarily have to "approach" them, I was thinking along the lines of smile & nod as you're walking towards the door, maybe make a friendly comment about the weather, something to deescalate the situation.
I was going to ask about the ID/CPL concern as well. Now it makes sense. In response to the recent cases that have not gone our way, I have decided I will take into account all the circumstances during an encounter as to whether I will willingly waive my 4th amendment rights or not. Eating dinner in a restaurant at 6:00pm - no way. Doing something at a 7-11 at 11:00pm - yeah, I'll probably provide ID.
This is actually a good point. Maybe not sticking your tongue out, but some sort of casual "Hi, hoayadoin?" to the cops in the coffee shop