Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 28

Thread: OC'er kicked out of Big Lots in Milwaukee

  1. #1
    Founder's Club Member protias's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    SE, WI
    Posts
    7,318

    OC'er kicked out of Big Lots in Milwaukee

    From a reliable source (I'm not going to name names or say his vocation), but he told me police escorted an OC'er yesterday morning (11/27) around 8:30 AM at Big Lots in the 3rd police district.

    I'll put in an open records request into that department tomorrow.
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

  2. #2
    Regular Member oak1971's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    1,937
    Thanks, keep us posted.
    In God I trust. Everyone else needs to keep your hands where I can see them.

  3. #3
    Campaign Veteran
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    West Allis, WI, ,
    Posts
    299
    Wasn't there a case in Vegas that was eerily similar to this that went very wrong for the PD or were the circumstances different enough?
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 - "A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but the fool's heart to the left."

  4. #4
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Chilton, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    3,481
    Quote Originally Posted by pvtschultz View Post
    Wasn't there a case in Vegas that was eerily similar to this that went very wrong for the PD or were the circumstances different enough?
    Yes, it was at the Costco, where a shopper who held a ccw permit was gunned down by police while exiting the store. See what a permit gets you?

  5. #5
    Regular Member Carcharodon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Neenah, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    189
    I don't go to big lots very much now that I live in Neenah but I have carried many times in the Appleton store in the past with no problems.

  6. #6
    Regular Member BROKENSPROKET's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Trempealeau County
    Posts
    2,187
    I went to the Big Lots in Eau Claire for the first time in ten years yesterday. No problem.

  7. #7
    Founder's Club Member protias's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    SE, WI
    Posts
    7,318
    Even though I gave the time, date, and description of the issue, the lady said I had to give the address of which Big Lots. Time to jump through some hoops to find out which one.
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

  8. #8
    Founder's Club Member bnhcomputing's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    1,709
    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    Even though I gave the time, date, and description of the issue, the lady said I had to give the address of which Big Lots. Time to jump through some hoops to find out which one.
    WRONG!

    You tell them you want all records regarding any interaction the police had at big lots within the last three days. Every Big lots in Milwaukee. They MUST comply and have about ten days to do so.

    You want 911 calls, dispatch logs, police reports, emails, memos, everything having anything to do with OC and Big Lots within the last three days. If they refuse again, you immediately file a complaint with the DA.

    Go get 'em!

  9. #9
    Founder's Club Member protias's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    SE, WI
    Posts
    7,318
    Quote Originally Posted by bnhcomputing View Post
    WRONG!

    You tell them you want all records regarding any interaction the police had at big lots within the last three days. Every Big lots in Milwaukee. They MUST comply and have about ten days to do so.

    You want 911 calls, dispatch logs, police reports, emails, memos, everything having anything to do with OC and Big Lots within the last three days. If they refuse again, you immediately file a complaint with the DA.

    Go get 'em!
    I asked my friend about my call to make the open records request and he said sometimes they don't do their job. He didn't know if it was because they are lazy or if it was a department thing.
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

  10. #10
    Founder's Club Member bnhcomputing's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    1,709
    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    I asked my friend about my call to make the open records request and he said sometimes they don't do their job. He didn't know if it was because they are lazy or if it was a department thing.
    If they refuse, file the complaint with the DA and the DOJ. They CANNOT refuse the request AND, as Doug was fond of pointing out, the open records law HAS TEETH. $1000 fine for refusing.

  11. #11
    Founder's Club Member protias's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    SE, WI
    Posts
    7,318
    Quote Originally Posted by bnhcomputing View Post
    If they refuse, file the complaint with the DA and the DOJ. They CANNOT refuse the request AND, as Doug was fond of pointing out, the open records law HAS TEETH. $1000 fine for refusing.
    I will make the same call tomorrow. I know the address, but that shouldn't matter, especially since I gave the time, day, location, description of what I was looking for.
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

  12. #12
    Regular Member LR Yote 312's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    God's Country, Wi
    Posts
    458
    Pardon my ignorance...Exactly what info is listed when an ORR is done ???

    What records are released?? Other than the time,date...does it show who or wich officers reponded to the call ?? Is primarily the City PDs side or version of the story ??

    If more than one officer, say for example 5 officers responded to a certain call would it show all 5 officers statements ??

    LR Yote
    *NOTE: No Longer under the tyranny of Milwaukee County.


    Watch your thoughts; they become words.
    Watch your words; they become actions.
    Watch your actions; they become habits.
    Watch your habits; they become character.
    Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.
    - Frank Outlaw

  13. #13
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    GREEN BAY, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    288
    Quote Originally Posted by LR Yote 312 View Post
    Pardon my ignorance...Exactly what info is listed when an ORR is done ???

    What records are released?? Other than the time,date...does it show who or wich officers reponded to the call ?? Is primarily the City PDs side or version of the story ??

    If more than one officer, say for example 5 officers responded to a certain call would it show all 5 officers statements ??

    LR Yote
    LR, I had to do an ORR in Green Bay for an incident, what I got was a Transcript of the 911 call, ALL radio and "IM traffic" with an audio CD.
    With that info I filed a non formal complaint against the LEO involved, since I have had NO issues in RE to me OC'n.
    Prior to that, I had 2 contacts w/ GBPD. I will say this much, when their Shift LT and I talked, he understood what I knew, articulated myself well enough and no more "visits"
    The audio CD was great, it got ALL radio traffic, officers call signs, the callers info, the whole 9yards.
    It can cost a bit, however in my situation worth every penny!

  14. #14
    Founder's Club Member bnhcomputing's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    1,709
    Quote Originally Posted by LR Yote 312 View Post
    Pardon my ignorance...Exactly what info is listed when an ORR is done ???

    What records are released?? Other than the time,date...does it show who or wich officers reponded to the call ?? Is primarily the City PDs side or version of the story ??

    If more than one officer, say for example 5 officers responded to a certain call would it show all 5 officers statements ??

    LR Yote
    When I submit a request I ask for any and all records including but not limited to (police reports, 911 calls, dispatch logs, video records, audio records, memos, emails, policies, witness statements, dispatch logs, etc).

    They MUST give you everything, the more you ask for the more it can cost but it sure lets them know you are watching.

    They can redact out some information like DL numbers, plate number, peoples SS#, address, stuff like that, but you still have to get all the records. If they fail to release them, then you go to the DA and the DOJ and file a complaint.

    After you file the complaint with the local DA, then you take a copy of the complaint down to the local paper. (Police LOVE being on the front page saying they are being "investigated" for violating WI open records law /sarcasm).

    Carry On

  15. #15
    Regular Member LR Yote 312's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    God's Country, Wi
    Posts
    458
    Thank You Both for the feedback.

    qball,
    By "visits" do you mean to say they were shadowing you ?
    And the ORR backed them off?



    LR Yote
    Last edited by LR Yote 312; 11-30-2010 at 07:52 AM.
    *NOTE: No Longer under the tyranny of Milwaukee County.


    Watch your thoughts; they become words.
    Watch your words; they become actions.
    Watch your actions; they become habits.
    Watch your habits; they become character.
    Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.
    - Frank Outlaw

  16. #16
    Regular Member TyGuy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    , ,
    Posts
    775
    I was told no to an ORR once because it was a case pending trial. Is that a fair way that they can reject the request?

  17. #17
    Regular Member paul@paul-fisher.com's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Chandler, AZ
    Posts
    4,047
    Quote Originally Posted by TyGuy View Post
    I was told no to an ORR once because it was a case pending trial. Is that a fair way that they can reject the request?
    I don't believe so. They released the 911 call and other stuff on the Madison 5 incident and it isn't over yet.

  18. #18
    Regular Member TyGuy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    , ,
    Posts
    775
    I should mention it was for a criminal case. Perhaps there is a difference? It was an ORR about someone breaking into my friend's house while they were eatting dinner.

  19. #19
    Founder's Club Member bnhcomputing's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    1,709
    Quote Originally Posted by TyGuy View Post
    I should mention it was for a criminal case. Perhaps there is a difference? It was an ORR about someone breaking into my friend's house while they were eatting dinner.
    I would say NO. They cannot refuse, pending or not. They can redact witness statements but nothing more.

    There is maybe one caveat, and it's a BIG maybe. If there is a robbery/rape/murder and the suspect is still at large, then maybe they can withhold SOME stuff.

    Regarding a OC're being harassed, they better turn over EVERYTHING!

    BTW: That is exactly what the anti's new plan is, to harass us into submission.

    I say Carry ON and Carry Proud!

  20. #20
    Regular Member TyGuy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    , ,
    Posts
    775
    Oh, I see, it wasn't an OC incident. Thanks for the info. Sorry if I hijacked the thread.

  21. #21
    Founder's Club Member protias's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    SE, WI
    Posts
    7,318
    Filed the request today. I tried to do it over the phone but he said they don't do it that way. I had three choices, 1) come in and let them know what I want, 2) mail in my request, or 3) email them. I chose the third option since there is no way I can get there between 9-3 during the week and I don't want to wait for my mail to get there and be "lost." I copied a few people on the request too, just so they know requests are being watched.
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

  22. #22
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    GREEN BAY, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    288
    Quote Originally Posted by LR Yote 312 View Post
    Thank You Both for the feedback.

    qball,
    By "visits" do you mean to say they were shadowing you ?
    And the ORR backed them off?



    LR Yote
    I would surmise that the Madison 5 incident may have been a factor as well as the 2 LEO being told from the first contact by their shift commander to leave it alone and not to stir up a Bee's nest.
    As for "shadowing" no it did not happen, I do check my 6 regularly.

  23. #23
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Milwaukee
    Posts
    34

    Re: ORR

    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    Filed the request today. I tried to do it over the phone but he said they don't do it that way. I had three choices, 1) come in and let them know what I want, 2) mail in my request, or 3) email them. I chose the third option since there is no way I can get there between 9-3 during the week and I don't want to wait for my mail to get there and be "lost." I copied a few people on the request too, just so they know requests are being watched.


    Protias,

    Whom did you contact ? I want to do a ORR with the city
    of Milwaukee pd. It's not OC related. Can I go to a district station and
    File the request ?

  24. #24
    Founder's Club Member protias's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    SE, WI
    Posts
    7,318
    Quote Originally Posted by Dobb View Post
    Protias,

    Whom did you contact ? I want to do a ORR with the city
    of Milwaukee pd. It's not OC related. Can I go to a district station and
    File the request ?
    You can go to Police District 3, mail it to them, or email (mpdopenrecords@milwaukee.gov).
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

  25. #25
    Regular Member MKEgal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    in front of my computer, WI
    Posts
    4,426
    From experience, they will charge you for the copies of whatever, but won't tell you about the charges (or how much they are) 'til they send things to you.
    Quote Originally Posted by MLK, Jr
    The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort & convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge & controversy.
    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie
    Citizenship is a verb.
    Quote Originally Posted by Proverbs 27:12
    A prudent person foresees the danger ahead and takes precautions.
    The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences.
    Quote Originally Posted by Proverbs 31:17
    She dresses herself with strength and makes her arms strong.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •