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Why you might need a gun in Detriot

NHCGRPR45

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You evidently have a misconception of the types of questions and the latitude you would have in answering a prosecutor's examination of you as the defendant and a hostile witness. The prosecutor will not ask you a question to which he does not already know the answer, and the questions will rarely be open-ended. You will give the answers that the prosecutor already knows are coming and that damns you the most. If you attempt to give an explanatory answer to a closed-ended question, you will be cut off. If you do not answer, you will be ordered to answer. If you don't give the correct answer, you will be impeached. All of which will just make you look worse to the jury.

While my hypothetical may not be exactly what would be said, it is a good representation of how it would go down. You would be asked air-tight questions designed to make you look dumb or, better, guilty. And it's not that you're "dumb enough" to give those answers, it's that you have no choice other than to not answer or to lie, which are even more dumb than giving the prosecutors the answers they know are coming from you.

Of course, if you don't take the witness stand at all, the prosecutor is merely going to make the same points to the jury about your comments in another fashion.

very good points, all should be taken to heart.

You can't prove in a court of law that what anyone says here on their screen name was written by them. Accounts get hacked, shared, lots of reasons. A good lawyer could toss things written here as hearsay.

true but do you really want to take that chance?:uhoh:

Gee, I wonder why lawyers always instruct their clients to NOT post potentially incriminating things on the net then. Oh and you can be tracked to your front door too.

Further, a prosecuting attorney does not have to prove that you made the statements - just convince a judge or jury that you most likely did. You can be buried under a ton of evidence, one grain at a time.

Ymmv - your choice.

yup.

With a good lawyer, this is possible but not certain as you portray.

agreed.

So you have made your point that your original point is irrelevant

:question:

...thanks. I almost forgot why I haven't visited in a while.

you think this thread is good check out the ponderosa thread, WOW:shocker:
 

Onnie

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we learned as LEO that shootings are 3's. 3 shots, 3 feet away and 3 seconds

Can you explain that more please, im not following
 

Onnie

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unfortunately i have had to shoot and he is right. whatever scenario you have in your head of your legal self defense shoot it is scary, hard and a feeling you can't fully describe unless you've been there. my shot hit my assailant in the hand. i didn't know til later i even got him. we learned as LEO that shootings are 3's. 3 shots, 3 feet away and 3 seconds. it's not a tv Die Hard roll around duck and shoot.


i dont understand the term "we learned as LEO that shootings are 3's. 3 shots, 3 feet away and 3 second"
 
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Evil Creamsicle

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It would seem to me that the explanation for that is that where he trained, they taught new officers that most shootings happen in about three seconds, at a proximity of less than three feet, and usually only involve about three shots.

Correct me if I'm wrong krypt
 

NHCGRPR45

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it refers to a study done by some federal agency that most police shooting averaged 3 shoots fired, by officer in a total of 3 seconds, from an average distance of 3 feet away.

i don't know if this was includeing civilian self defense shootings but i would guess not.
 

Michigander

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it refers to a study done by some federal agency that most police shooting averaged 3 shoots fired, by officer in a total of 3 seconds, from an average distance of 3 feet away.

i don't know if this was includeing civilian self defense shootings but i would guess not.

I would think that most muggings would have be well within bad breath distance. Most of the crime victims, SD teachers and publications I've talked to/read have indicated to me that up close hip shooting is the rule, not the exception for concealed carrier defensive shootings, at least for those circumstances which are defensive, rather than an intervention into an assault on someone else.
 
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NHCGRPR45

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I would think that most muggings would have be well within bad breath distance. Most of the crime victims, SD teachers and publications I've talked to/read have indicated to me that up close hip shooting is the rule, not the exception for concealed carrier defensive shootings, at least for those circumstances which are defensive, rather than an intervention into an assault on someone else.

yes a lot of what i have read is within that 21 foot rule, and closer.
 
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