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    Private property

    kind of along the lines of my ice fishing post can i bomb around on my property on various vehicles without having to put it back in the case

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    And the same answer.......

    Quote Originally Posted by oliverclotheshoff View Post
    kind of along the lines of my ice fishing post can i bomb around on my property on various vehicles without having to put it back in the case

    Wisconsin Stat. 167.31 Does not appear to make any exceptions for where the vehicle is located. Only that it is defined as a "vehicle" by WSS 340.01
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    i found the answer in the exceptions paragraph

    5. The vehicle is being operated entirely on private property
    and is not being operated in the right−of−way of any highway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oliverclotheshoff View Post
    i found the answer in the exceptions paragraph

    5. The vehicle is being operated entirely on private property
    and is not being operated in the right−of−way of any highway.
    Good catch!
    I've got to study it a little closer though. In the same area it says something about how you can not be engaged in hunting, then seems to contridict itself with #5.

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    but if your open carrying with a hand gun that doesnt meet the minimum barrel length you cant be hunting because it is agains the law

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    Quote Originally Posted by oliverclotheshoff View Post
    but if your open carrying with a hand gun that doesnt meet the minimum barrel length you cant be hunting because it is agains the law
    Agreed; but it appears there may be some Catch 22's in here.....
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    The whole thing

    All 5 conditions must be met

    167.31(4)(bt)
    (bt) Subsection (2) (b) does not apply to the placement, possession, or transportation of an unloaded firearm in or on a vehicle if all of the following apply:

    167.31(4)(bt)1.
    1. The vehicle is a self-propelled motor vehicle with 4 rubber-tired wheels.

    167.31(4)(bt)2.
    2. The vehicle is not certified by the manufacturer for on-road use.

    167.31(4)(bt)3.
    3. The vehicle is not an all-terrain vehicle, as defined in s. 340.01 (2g).

    167.31(4)(bt)4.
    4. The vehicle is being used to transport individuals involved in sport shooting activities at sport shooting ranges, as defined in s. 895.527 (1), and is not being used to transport individuals involved in hunting.

    167.31(4)(bt)5.
    5. The vehicle is being operated entirely on private property and is not being operated in the right-of-way of any highway.

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    who pissed in my cherios damn i really should learn to speak lawyer

    man i thought i had something here
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    Quote Originally Posted by oliverclotheshoff View Post

    man i thought i had something here
    Ya, at one time I thought I did too. I asked a DNR warden about this exemption at a Hunter Safety session last year. He said the exemptions were lobbied into place so that shooting ranges could haul people around to various stations w/o the need for cases.

    I guess a squeaky wheel got greased.
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    Crap!
    My golf cart / NEV is certified for on-road use. But; if I exchange the windshield for a non-DOT approved split windshield I wonder if I can get away with it.
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    2. The vehicle is not certified by the manufacturer for on-road use.

    According to most manufacturers, as soon as you modify the vehicle you lose the manufactures approval for on-road use.

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    so can a modified 4 wheeler not be a four wheeler anymore (its a stretch)

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    Quote Originally Posted by anmut View Post
    2. The vehicle is not certified by the manufacturer for on-road use.

    According to most manufacturers, as soon as you modify the vehicle you lose the manufactures approval for on-road use.
    A lot of automotive aftermarket equipment carries the disclaimer of "for off-road use only" or something similar, unless it actually carries a DOT approval, and in CA a CARB exemption as well.

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    As with many other activities on private property, what the police don't know about they can't ticket you for.
    So yes, it's illegal. It's also a stupid law that will (hopefully) soon be repealed.
    Know the law, make your own decision about whether or not to follow it, esp. on your own property.
    IMHO as long as you're not harming anyone, you're free to do what you want. (Gee, that sounds very Wiccan, doesn't it?)
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    i always have carried while running around on my property in whatever vehicle i was in truck wheeler snowbubble but i will be a bit more cautious to my surrounding when i do for now on or maybei will just buy a zippered case

    thanks for all the info and good talking points

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    If they want to write me or arrest me for carrying in my vehicle on my property or on my lawn mower I will gladly be the test case that goes all the way.
    I had to change my signature because you know who got upset about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryD View Post
    If they want to write me or arrest me for carrying in my vehicle on my property or on my lawn mower I will gladly be the test case that goes all the way.
    Boom Chik A Chick A Boom. I am with you on that. On my property with no criminal intent, come and get me.
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    sprocket and jerry i agree with you on that forget the zipper case
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    I will continue to do what I please on my own property.
    In God I trust. Everyone else needs to keep your hands where I can see them.

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    Seems like that is what this guy is doing:
    http://www.weau.com/home/headlines/111420874.html

    I think we needs to just respect peoples property rights all together. If it is their property then no one can say what goes on within the property lines except the owner. Well that is as long as it does not physically effect anyone outside the property lines that is. Personally I could care less what people do on their own property.

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