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    What is the law on a gun in a closed container at church/school ??

    My Church has a preschool during the week M-F, I do not know if I can bring a gun in my car during church on sunday??? I was looking on VCDL and I found this ---- HB 1214 Firearm on public school property; prohibits those in closed container in motor vehicle.


    Possession of firearm on public school property; penalty. Prohibits a person from possessing an unloaded firearm that is in a closed container in or upon a motor vehicle located at a public elementary, middle, or high school or an unloaded shotgun or rifle in a firearms rack in or upon a motor vehicle located at a public elementary, middle, or high school.



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    This bill removes the ability for a law-abiding citizen to have an unloaded gun in a container in a vehicle on public school property. Private or religious schools are left unchanged. A citizen's ability to have a gun in their vehicle on any kind of school property needs to be left alone. This bill will do nothing to prevent crime, but only make criminals out of otherwise law-abiding citizens.

    Another Legislative Victory For Virginia Gun Owners!
    So it says Victory? meaning? I need a CHP? or anyone can? I thought it was for CHP ONLY.

    Also would anyone know where I could find 2011's Agenda for gun laws? I would like to know what might be going on, Thanks.
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    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
    If you don't support the Second Amendment to the Constitution, what other parts of the Constitution do you reject?
    More restrictions on guns? how about restrictions on chainsaws and knives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocholsteroc View Post
    My Church has a preschool during the week M-F, I do not know if I can bring a gun in my car during church on sunday??? I was looking on VCDL and I found this ---- HB 1214 Firearm on public school property; prohibits those in closed container in motor vehicle.


    Possession of firearm on public school property; penalty. Prohibits a person from possessing an unloaded firearm that is in a closed container in or upon a motor vehicle located at a public elementary, middle, or high school or an unloaded shotgun or rifle in a firearms rack in or upon a motor vehicle located at a public elementary, middle, or high school.



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    This bill removes the ability for a law-abiding citizen to have an unloaded gun in a container in a vehicle on public school property. Private or religious schools are left unchanged. A citizen's ability to have a gun in their vehicle on any kind of school property needs to be left alone. This bill will do nothing to prevent crime, but only make criminals out of otherwise law-abiding citizens.

    Another Legislative Victory For Virginia Gun Owners!
    So it says Victory? meaning? I need a CHP? or anyone can? I thought it was for CHP ONLY.

    Also would anyone know where I could find 2011's Agenda for gun laws? I would like to know what might be going on, Thanks.
    You need a CHP! Nuff said on that subject!

    I don't think the agenda is finished yet plus it should change as bills are filed.
    Hopefully Philip will give the highlights tonight.

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    You need a CHP! Nuff said on that subject!
    I thought so.
    Last edited by ocholsteroc; 12-02-2010 at 01:45 PM.
    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
    If you don't support the Second Amendment to the Constitution, what other parts of the Constitution do you reject?
    More restrictions on guns? how about restrictions on chainsaws and knives?

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    The preschool is not a "school" (elementary, middle or high only), and the church is not public property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post
    The preschool is not a "school" (elementary, middle or high only), and the church is not public property.
    Peter???

    I still think its a no no because it is a pre'school'
    Last edited by ocholsteroc; 12-02-2010 at 02:48 PM.
    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
    If you don't support the Second Amendment to the Constitution, what other parts of the Constitution do you reject?
    More restrictions on guns? how about restrictions on chainsaws and knives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post
    The preschool is not a "school" (elementary, middle or high only), and the church is not public property.
    ^^^ That.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ocholsteroc View Post
    Peter???

    I still think its a no no because it is a pre'school'
    I thought so too but Proshooter is the expert on that subject. I don't have a CHP and he teaches the classes
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    Go with his advice!

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    With regard to Virginia law the restriction on carrying only applies to elementary, middle and high schools.

    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...cod+18.2-308.1

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    Preschool is for parents who think (or want to) they have smart kids. It is just another word for daycare or nursery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenny View Post
    Preschool is for parents who think (or want to) they have smart kids. It is just another word for daycare or nursery.
    Cite?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenny View Post
    Preschool is for parents who think (or want to) they have smart kids. It is just another word for daycare or nursery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wylde007 View Post
    Cite?
    My wife is a preschool teacher and they do teach them their colors, numbers, shapes, counting, etc.

    I have seen these kids come out of preschool and get disqualified from pre-K because when they were tested their scores were too high and other kids needed pre-k more. Then they spend another year in preschool and go straight to kindergarten


    Preschool is not covered in the gun free school zone law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    I thought so too but Proshooter is the expert on that subject. I don't have a CHP and he teaches the classes
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    Go with his advice!
    Why do you not have a CHP
    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
    If you don't support the Second Amendment to the Constitution, what other parts of the Constitution do you reject?
    More restrictions on guns? how about restrictions on chainsaws and knives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocholsteroc View Post
    Why do you not have a CHP
    Because free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

    Also, because he doesn't want the gummint to keep track of and potentially publish his personal information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmelvin View Post
    With regard to Virginia law the restriction on carrying only applies to elementary, middle and high schools.

    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...cod+18.2-308.1
    Recent court decisions take the position that "kindergarten" is part of "elementary". No one has addressed the Kindercare/Minnieland phenomenon.

    I got the impression that OP thought that the bill pending was already law. For now, at least, and pursuant to Virginia law, anyone can keep a gun in a closed container in his car while he goes to church, into the school, etc. Of course there is that nasty federal statute that prohibits guns within one thousand feet of the boundary of school property unless one have a permit issued by the state in which the school is located that requires a background check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wylde007 View Post
    Because free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

    Also, because he doesn't want the gummint to keep track of and potentially publish his personal information.
    Yep!

    Besides...my guns are too big to hide
    That's why I'm on opencarry.org, instead of peekabooglock.com
    Last edited by peter nap; 12-03-2010 at 12:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Yep!

    That's why I'm on opencarry.org, instead of peekabooglock.com
    Sorry,"www.peekabooglock.com" does not exist or is not available.

    hey! no fair! you're teasing me!
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