The Troll is dead

PrayingForWar · Dec 7, 2010

:banana:

Thanks to the mods for finally removing this twit. Not only was he here to cause trouble, but he was intentionally making the Open Carry movement look bad. He's been banned from multiple boards as well.

As far as I'm concerned, a guy who takes a POS chopped up WASR AK, paints the muzzle orange, and intentionally goes into public with the intent to alarm the public and confront police is an idiot at best. It is clear to me that his concern is not the advancement of OC, the 2A, or to promote a positive impression of gun owners in general. His intention was to either alienate people and marginalize the agenda, or he's the sort of idiot who shoots himself in the foot demonstrating how "proficient" he is compared to everyone else in the room. Like that idiot DEA agent we've all seen in that video. Not exactly the kind of person you want to have around.

Good Riddance.:banana:

eye95 · Dec 7, 2010

I actually stated in a thread, started essentially as a campaign to get him banned, that he should not be. I regretted that stance shortly afterward, when he made another member, who was facing his own grave trouble, a pawn in his battle with the owners.

I am glad he is gone.

bom1911 · Dec 7, 2010

Finally. I'm sure he will be back with a new name like the last jerk was.

Daylen · Dec 7, 2010

eye95 said:
I actually stated in a thread, started essentially as a campaign to get him banned, that he should not be. I regretted that stance shortly afterward, when he made another member, who was facing his own grave trouble, a pawn in his battle with the owners.

I am glad he is gone.

no good deed goes unpunished.

jimd_21 · Dec 7, 2010

+ 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, .......Oh sorry that is the national debt......but feel the same as being rid of him not necessarily his knowledge and his....some would say support. But because of his childish actions not only on the forum but in the public, enjoying.....i use the term lightly, his right to bear arms.

To those who agree with forcefully and ignorantly pushing your views and rights on other people...take note. Their is more people that OC who have the same knowledge and prowess, that understand other people have rights to and they should not be persecuted for their views or rights.

I like to think that it would be more like a school setting.....we are the teachers and they are the students. Just a thought.

And as bad as i don't want to say it....I think he will see what everyone has been telling him when he walks into a walmart with his AK.....Now that Walmart is in bed with DHS. They play by different rules when it comes to situations.

Cavalryman · Dec 7, 2010

About time! Anyone who publicly advocates irresponsible behavior is not good for the movement of legal gun ownership.

NRAMARINE · Dec 7, 2010

"In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up."

-- by Martin Niemöller,

Not defending him, however it is unpopular speech that must be protected. Consider one day what you say may be deemed unpopular by those who would silence opposition. Again, not defending him, just food for thought.

jimd_21 · Dec 7, 2010

NRAMARINE said:
"In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up."

-- by Martin Niemöller,

+1

Their is a difference between speaking up....and throwing rocks.

eye95 · Dec 7, 2010

They came for the trolls, and I didn't speak up...

...because they need to come for the trolls.

jimd_21 · Dec 7, 2010

eye95 said:
They came for the trolls, and I didn't speak up...

...because they need to come for the trolls.

Wow...thats Deep.....but true.

Unfortunate that someone starting out pushing and fighting for the cause, ends up slowly turning to the opposite of what the cause is.

paul@paul-fisher.com · Dec 7, 2010

PrayingForWar said:
:banana:

Thanks to the mods for finally removing this twit. Not only was he here to cause trouble, but he was intentionally making the Open Carry movement look bad. He's been banned from multiple boards as well.

As far as I'm concerned, a guy who takes a POS chopped up WASR AK, paints the muzzle orange, and intentionally goes into public with the intent to alarm the public and confront police is an idiot at best. It is clear to me that his concern is not the advancement of OC, the 2A, or to promote a positive impression of gun owners in general. His intention was to either alienate people and marginalize the agenda, or he's the sort of idiot who shoots himself in the foot demonstrating how "proficient" he is compared to everyone else in the room. Like that idiot DEA agent we've all seen in that video. Not exactly the kind of person you want to have around.

Good Riddance.:banana:

How ridiculous! If he did anything illegal, he would be in jail or shot. While I didn't support his exact tactics, he has the right to do it. Saying someone makes OC'ers look bad is silly. Kinda like people who think cc is the only way and that us OC'ers are making it bad for them.

jimd_21 · Dec 7, 2010

paul@paul-fisher.com said:
How ridiculous! If he did anything illegal, he would be in jail or shot. While I didn't support his exact tactics, he has the right to do it. Saying someone makes OC'ers look bad is silly. Kinda like people who think cc is the only way and that us OC'ers are making it bad for them.

OK i have read a lot of your posts and you have my up most respect.... on that note

Anything illegal....how about a "questionable Domestic Violence"....According to him he was not "convicted"...good lawyers can do wonders.

Tactics......painting the tip of your AK....even if its considered a pistol...They made toy makers change the color of the tips of the TOY guns so LEO would have a visual to determine if it was real or a toy.

I don't recall reading a post by him calling OC'ers look bad......but do think OC'ing a AK pistol over the shoulder does make us look bad.

paul@paul-fisher.com · Dec 7, 2010

jimd_21 said:
OK i have read a lot of your posts and you have my up most respect.... on that note

Anything illegal....how about a "questionable Domestic Violence"....According to him he was not "convicted"...good lawyers can do wonders.

Tactics......painting the tip of your AK....even if its considered a pistol...They made toy makers change the color of the tips of the TOY guns so LEO would have a visual to determine if it was real or a toy.

I don't recall reading a post by him calling OC'ers look bad......but do think OC'ing a AK pistol over the shoulder does make us look bad.

Thanks!

I guess my point is that just because someone makes us feel uncomfortable doesn't mean they are doing anything wrong.

While he did a number of things I personally wouldn't do, I do not believe he did anything illegal. I also believe he was harassed for living up to the letter of the law.

I can only assume he was banned because of some of the things he said about the incident at the ferry in VA.

This is private property and the owners can ask/force anyone to leave as they see fit.

My issue isn't with the banning but with the glee that some have shown because he was banned.

I believe kwik is moving TN towards constitutional carry and I respect that. I can only hope he is successful.

eye95 · Dec 7, 2010

He didn't get banned for any of that. In recent days he has been obnoxiously bashing a poster who is truly innocent in the legal troubles he is facing. Simply put, he was trolling OCDO. Plus, we don't know what went on behind the scenes between him and the site owners.

All that other stuff, while not being a reason to ban him are all reasons I am glad I am no longer associated with him by posting on the same board.

VAopencarry · Dec 8, 2010

I think it's complete BS he was banned.

I would never do what he did but it's not my place to tell somebody what is good or not good for 'the cause'. He pushed the envelope, so what, we all know there are a ton of 'gun people' that think OC'ing is ruining the 'image' of gun owners too.

And people wonder why he acted the way he did on here. Jeepers he couldn't say good morning without people jumping on him. The collective OCDO sheep, piling on, feeling smart I suppose, because hey everybody else is ragging on the guy.

But Kwik made the mistake of counter arguing the innocence of a popular OCDO'er. I didn't read all his ramblings but some of it was parroting what the collective OCDO sheep would be saying if it wasn't a known OCDO'er.

JoeSparky · Dec 8, 2010

I was told that individuals only need to have 3 specific attributes to fit in well with society and and a result have a good society....

1st: Be Respectful!
2nd: Be Respectable!
3rd: Be fun to be with!

Some require more specific instructions!

And this is why ANYONE on this board (in my opinion) gets banned: They fail to achieve success in any one or combination of the above instructions.

Jack House · Dec 8, 2010

paul@paul-fisher.com said:
Thanks!

I guess my point is that just because someone makes us feel uncomfortable doesn't mean they are doing anything wrong.

While he did a number of things I personally wouldn't do, I do not believe he did anything illegal. I also believe he was harassed for living up to the letter of the law.

I can only assume he was banned because of some of the things he said about the incident at the ferry in VA.

This is private property and the owners can ask/force anyone to leave as they see fit.

My issue isn't with the banning but with the glee that some have shown because he was banned.

I believe kwik is moving TN towards constitutional carry and I respect that. I can only hope he is successful.

Agreed.

Gray Peterson · Dec 8, 2010

.....

Eh, dancing like this :banana: to someone getting banned generally isn't cool.

This thread has lived out it's useful life, and is just a bash fest on kwik. Let's move on, shall we? Closed.

-Gray

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