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    AZ preemption on knives, Need for Michigan

    State preemption on knifes.......

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/05/us/05knives.html

    PHOENIX — Arizona used to be a knife carrier’s nightmare, with a patchwork of local laws that forced those inclined to strap Buck knives or other sharp objects to their belts to tread carefully as they moved from Phoenix (no knives except pocketknives) to Tempe (no knives at all) to Tucson (no knives on library grounds).

    D’Alton Holder, a longtime knife maker, said, “It’s ridiculous to talk about the size of the knife as if that makes a difference.” But that changed earlier this year when Arizona made its Legislature the sole arbiter of knife regulations. And because of loose restrictions on weapons here, Arizona is now considered a knife carrier’s dream, a place where everything from a samurai sword to a switchblade can be carried without a quibble.
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    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    What I'd suggest, Brian, is that you take the AZ law, and modify it to fit Michigan, then submit it to our second amendment friendly reps for introduction to the senate as a bill. Then we can organize a campaign to get it passed. Beats day dreaming about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
    What I'd suggest, Brian, is that you take the AZ law, and modify it to fit Michigan, then submit it to our second amendment friendly reps for introduction to the senate as a bill. Then we can organize a campaign to get it passed. Beats day dreaming about it.
    Why me, you can do the same, just saying, besides we have a member on this site that is very interested in changing knife laws and already has drafted legislation. This post was for him.
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    Texas needs preemption on knifes as well.
    Our infringed gun laws are preemption of law, but the state doesnt enforce it.
    For example;
    San Antonio ordinanced against loaded rifle's inside of vehicles on SA city streets! Not illegal by Texas Preemption of gun laws!
    San Antonio also ordinanced against locking blade knifes!
    When I called the loser city council down there and asked about it, they said it was an attempt to disarm gangs!
    San Antonio has a bunch of liberal idiots running the place. I expect that kind of stupidity from people who arent smart enough to understand the constitution and what preemption law means, but how is it that the state doesnt enforce the preemption laws?

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    This is worth reading on knives.

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=237325

    Does the right to bear arms include knives?

    Posted: December 07, 2010
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    "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." – Amendment 2 to the U.S. Constitution.

    When people talk about the Second Amendment and the right to arms, they are generally talking about guns, but at the time the Second Amendment was written, the term "arms" was much broader than today's narrow focus on handguns, rifles and shotguns.

    At one end of the spectrum were cannons and mortars – which were often privately owned – and on the other were dirks, swords, and bayonets – which were commonly carried for defense and as tools of militia service.

    Over the years the idea of knives as constitutionally protected arms has not been a prominent one, but that is changing. Over the past several years there has been growing recognition and support of knife rights as real rights. Part of that movement has been fueled by a trend in law enforcement to enforce knife laws against everyone, not just the social demographic against whom the law was originally intended.

    Just as most gun laws were originally intended to restrict guns from blacks and were not strictly applied to middle-class white folks, most knife laws were written to target "troubled youths," particularly those of Hispanic ethnicity, and were not usually applied to mature white people. Selective enforcement was used as both a means to come down harder on the real bad actors and to harass minorities and other "undesirables."
    Even places with relatively good gun laws often have simply terrible knife laws. Back in the early '90s, the San Antonio City Council passed an ordinance banning the carry of any knife in the city limits. I learned about the law only after a local warned me about the large Gerber folder in a sheath on my right hip. What was interesting about his warning was that it came the day after I had been scrutinized by San Antonio police officers in a tourist bar down on the River Walk.

    I was sitting on a barstool sipping a beer in the early evening, and the officers were chatting with the bar's doorman just a few feet away. I watched in a mirror as each of the officers noticed the knife and then checked me out. They both apparently came to the same conclusion: 30-year old white guy, conservative haircut and clothes, no visible tattoos, not a threat. Leave the tourist alone. Had my skin been darker or if I had otherwise stuck out, I might have had a different sort of evening.

    When I lived in Arizona in the '80s and '90s, there was no provision for carrying a concealed firearm, but open carry was legal and relatively common. For years I routinely carried a .45 Colt Commander fully visible on my right hip with my Gerber right on top of it. I didn't know that different Arizona cities had restrictions on knives until an officer in the Phoenix area suggested that I should remove my Gerber to avoid getting a ticket. The suggestion came while the knife was attached to the holster for the Colt I was also carrying. Someone please explain to me how it makes sense to take the knife away from the guy with the gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venator View Post
    Why me, you can do the same, just saying, besides we have a member on this site that is very interested in changing knife laws and already has drafted legislation. This post was for him.
    Thank you Brian. Yes, I am the one who has been trying to push this, I have a bill draft on the Michigan page of OCDO and an attached word document that I sent to multiple reps. I encourage all of you who are interested to push this. My bill draft repeals the switchblade ban, repeals the ban on carrying all knives (some are still restricted but having a CPL covers you), and it has knife and "weapon" preemption. This can happen if everyone who wants it pushes it and contacts your reps over this. We can make this happen. Remember most gun carriers also carry a knife and this issue directly affects them.

    Also remember, conviction of a local knife violation = 8 year ban on you having a CPL!!!

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    We seriously need preemption of knives....

    Practically anywhere in the state,you can strap a fully automatic "assault rifle" to your back and go about your business without violating any laws.

    but that old swiss army knife your grandfather gave you when you were 7 thats in your pocket could land you with criminal charges....
    not a lawyer, dont take anything i say as legal advice.


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