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Examiner.com - Florida legislature takes up firearms carry reform

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As I've mentioned in other threads; I don't get it.

We have a super-majority. Why are we stepping over dollars to pick up dimes?

Incremental-ism is fine when facing serious opposition. But we're not.

I understand the court plan, but why take that huge gamble when you can easily legislate it?

It just doesn't make sense. ....unless..........
 
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ixtow said:
As I've mentioned in other threads; I don't get it.

We have a super-majority. Why are we stepping over dollars to pick up dimes?

Incremental-ism is fine when facing serious opposition. But we're not.

I understand the court plan, but why take that huge gamble when you can easily legislate it?

It just doesn't make sense. ....unless..........
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I stated this:

ixtow said:
What will happen to the unlicensed exceptions when/if it turns green?
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They still exist, as far as I've read the bill. You can still OC without license if you're doing one of the activities.

ixtow said:
While OC may be banned, we have a supermajority!
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We have a supermajority of the Republican party. That doesn't mean we have a majority in both houses that would go for unlicensed OC at this time.
 
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ixtow said:
We, we both concede that a very large number of these 'republicans' are RINOs.
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I don't like getting into partisan politics or throw around terms like RINO's, DINO's, and such. My only care in terms of the tally is:

1) How many votes do we have in each house for unlicensed OC?

2) If we don't have the votes, how many votes do we have with licensed OC?

We know Governor Scott will sign whatever bill comes on his desk.
 
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Gray Peterson said:
We know Governor Scott will sign whatever bill comes on his desk.
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I'm curious....I keep seeing these kind of statements. How do we KNOW exactly? Because a politician made a campaign promise?

Not to be a fuddy-dud, but, I'm afraid I have a hard time being as confident. I'm just one of those who believe that a kept campaign promise is a myth on par with Big Foot, UFO's and the Florida Skunk Ape. ROFL
 
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Gray Peterson said:
I don't like getting into partisan politics or throw around terms like RINO's, DINO's, and such. My only care in terms of the tally is:

1) How many votes do we have in each house for unlicensed OC?

2) If we don't have the votes, how many votes do we have with licensed OC?

We know Governor Scott will sign whatever bill comes on his desk.
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I would tend to agree, again. Partisan Politics are a perverse reality. False pretense in an individual, Scott's Promise, or False Pretense as a group, RINOs. Why do we continue to elect Politicians instead of our neighbors or each other?
 
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JeepSeller said:
I'm curious....I keep seeing these kind of statements. How do we KNOW exactly? Because a politician made a campaign promise?

Not to be a fuddy-dud, but, I'm afraid I have a hard time being as confident. I'm just one of those who believe that a kept campaign promise is a myth on par with Big Foot, UFO's and the Florida Skunk Ape. ROFL
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Because some involved have been in communications with Scott's team during the transition and Scott's has staff involved in the current (and future) Pro 2A legislative process.
 
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It would be our distinct pleasure to serve you, sir. :lol:
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I do hope you all realize, Green doesn't count.

"A RIGHT unexercised is a RIGHT lost." <-- Licensed OC is not a RIGHT.

I WANT to eat it, I really do. But I don't abide cheaters.
 
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ixtow said:
I do hope you all realize, Green doesn't count.

"A RIGHT unexercised is a RIGHT lost." <-- Licensed OC is not a RIGHT.

I WANT to eat it, I really do. But I don't abide cheaters.
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I guess John Pierce, the owner of the forum, is a cheater too, since he lives in Minnesota which is also a green state.
 
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ixtow said:
I do hope you all realize, Green doesn't count.

"A RIGHT unexercised is a RIGHT lost." <-- Licensed OC is not a RIGHT.

I WANT to eat it, I really do. But I don't abide cheaters.
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Green is better than brown. Granted that unlicensed OC or constitutional carry would be far superior.

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I guess John Pierce, the owner of the forum, is a cheater too, since he lives in Minnesota which is also a green state.
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Not sure how where one lives determines their personal integrity. This is solely about whether Florida will reenter the ranks of OC legal states and how.
 
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Gray Peterson said:
I guess John Pierce, the owner of the forum, is a cheater too, since he lives in Minnesota which is also a green state.
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Your conversation started out civilized, but now you're putting words in my mouth. Where one lives clearly and obviously is not the point. Sadly, one vote does NOT count.

Green is not a RIGHT to Carry. This is a fact.

I was referring to fighting for a privilege while pretending to be fighting for a right. Both of those concepts are fact as well.

3 facts.

Pretending that Green is a Right to claim an accomplishment that is not accomplished, is intellectual fraud. I was being nice when I called it 'cheating.' Now that you've pulled it twice, I'm not being nice anymore. We were having a perfectly reasonable and civilized conversation, why ruin it?

And on another note, I am wearing a Green shirt. O, the pearls of humor and irony that I'm casting/wasting...

Tactical Bacon!
 
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