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You CAN OC in Michigan on a non-resident CCW permit.

This reply in the Illinois forum was by DrTodd, who is a Michigan resident:

DrTodd said:
This is correct... Michigan law (MCL 28.422) states that possession of a Pistol in Michigan requires a License to purchase, carry, possess, or transport pistol, which is what we get to buy and then register a pistol. The state police have given ONLY 1 of the exceptions to this: a resident license to conceal from another state (this is listed in MCL 28.422). With this license, you would be able to conceal (if you are resident of the state which issued the license), as Mich recognizes all state concealed licenses.

However, there is ANOTHER exemption from the aforementioned registration process, see MCL 28.432. This section exempts "(f) A United States citizen holding a license to carry a pistol concealed upon his or her person issued by another state" (There are other exemptions there, too.)

Were I to travel to Michigan under EITHER exemption, I would make very sure that I also carry a copy of the MCL with my permit. Other than that, there shouldn't be any problems. In fact, Michigan allows the OC of pistols in almost all of the places listed as "no (concealed) carry zones" for CPL holders if the person has a resident permit from their home state. If you have a non-resident permit, I would not suggest OCing any of the places listed as no carry zones.
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I also covered this in a thread of my own on the Michigan forum last Spring if you'd care to read it. What it boils down to is that I can OC in Michigan on my non-resident Utah CCW permit.
 
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Yeah but

it's really fun to reargue this issue from the beginning over and over and over.....<insert smiley for sarcasm here>

Other favorite rehashes:

1. FOPA (18 USC 926A) permits me to carry a pistol in my suitcase for check-in even in New York or New Jersey.
2. "No Guns" signs carry no legal weight.
3. A MI CPL allows me to OC on the University of Michigan campus.
4. A straw man purchase only occurs only when a "prohibited person" is involved.
5. There are no exceptions to WI Statute 941.23.
6. I am a legal resident of the state in which I vote (or have a driver's license from).
7. I can cc in a post office because it is (a) not really a federal facility or (b) there is an exception for "lawful purposes" including self-defense.
 
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Constitutional Carry

This thread is a perfect example why we should push the WI Legislature toward doing what AZ and AK did. That is, have Constitutional Carry AND Carry with Permit. For those who wish to pay the "tax", having a WI permit allows travel to MI and any other State that will recognize a WI permit (like IA who after 1-1-11 will recognize the valid permit from any other State). If not a lot of States recognize the (theoretical) WI Permit, as NIK is so fond of pointing out, there is always the option of obtaining a Utah or Florida permit (these two cover the most States and the UT permit will cover MN if a WI permit is not honored there).

If we do not also push the legislature to adopt a permit system to compliment Constitutional Carry, WI will become an island like VT. They have Constitutional Carry but do not issue a permit. Most people in VT then flock to get a UT permit, but cannot carry in their neighboring state of NH as NH only honors permits from the State of residency (also ME, FL, SC, MI, and CO).
 
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jpm84092 said:
If we do not also push the legislature to adopt a permit system to compliment Constitutional Carry, WI will become an island like VT. They have Constitutional Carry but do not issue a permit. Most people in VT then flock to get a UT permit, but cannot carry in their neighboring state of NH as NH only honors permits from the State of residency (also ME, FL, SC, MI, and CO).
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But you are missing the point. I have talked to representatives of 3 legislators. There is zero chance we are going to get Constitutional Carry with a permit. If I were a betting man, I would say we are 60% 'shall issue' to 40% 'Constitutional Carry' with the 40 going higher every day. On November 3rd of this year, my bet would of been 90% shall issue, 10% Constitutional Carry.

Once again, we let the camel nose under the tent, it will move n and bring fleas along. If we allow WI to setup the infrastructure for permits, they will find ways to make us use it.

When WI goes the way of VT, people are free to get a UT permit. If that occurs, the only places that don't accept non-resident permits for concealed carry are MI and NH. NH issues an expensive non-resident permit. MI accepts any states permit for oc.

Even your state UT is on the verge of going Constitutional Carry. How long after that occurs will they issue permits? Who knows?

No matter what, we can't cc is NY, CA and a couple other states.

How about this? How about we work for CC in WI and then work on a Federal reciprocity bill which states 'if you are legal in your home state, you are legal everywhere'? That would get us into CA and NY and Chicago.
 
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How about this? How about we work for CC in WI and then work on a Federal reciprocity bill which states 'if you are legal in your home state, you are legal everywhere'? That would get us into CA and NY and Chicago.[/QUOTE]

Agree 100%. This is no time to go backward. Set the standard for all other states and the Federal government to follow!
 
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jpm84092 said:
This thread is a perfect example why we should push the WI Legislature toward doing what AZ and AK did. That is, have Constitutional Carry AND Carry with Permit. For those who wish to pay the "tax", having a WI permit allows travel to MI and any other State that will recognize a WI permit (like IA who after 1-1-11 will recognize the valid permit from any other State). If not a lot of States recognize the (theoretical) WI Permit, as NIK is so fond of pointing out, there is always the option of obtaining a Utah or Florida permit (these two cover the most States and the UT permit will cover MN if a WI permit is not honored there).

If we do not also push the legislature to adopt a permit system to compliment Constitutional Carry, WI will become an island like VT. They have Constitutional Carry but do not issue a permit. Most people in VT then flock to get a UT permit, but cannot carry in their neighboring state of NH as NH only honors permits from the State of residency (also ME, FL, SC, MI, and CO).
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JPM, I am probably going to eat my hat. Sorry. It looks like the NRA is pushing for what you mentioned. I didn't see that coming.

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...a-During-Wisconsin-s-2011-Legislative-Session
 
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jpm84092 said:
This thread is a perfect example why we should push the WI Legislature toward doing what AZ and AK did. That is, have Constitutional Carry AND Carry with Permit. For those who wish to pay the "tax", having a WI permit allows travel to MI and any other State that will recognize a WI permit (like IA who after 1-1-11 will recognize the valid permit from any other State). If not a lot of States recognize the (theoretical) WI Permit, as NIK is so fond of pointing out, there is always the option of obtaining a Utah or Florida permit (these two cover the most States and the UT permit will cover MN if a WI permit is not honored there).

If we do not also push the legislature to adopt a permit system to compliment Constitutional Carry, WI will become an island like VT. They have Constitutional Carry but do not issue a permit. Most people in VT then flock to get a UT permit, but cannot carry in their neighboring state of NH as NH only honors permits from the State of residency (also ME, FL, SC, MI, and CO).
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AZ & AK did not have Constitutional Carry for a long time while thier residents had to have a permit to carry within the state. The reason that AZ & AK still offer permits for reciprocity is becuase the bearuracy was already there and being downsized.

If they have to create the beauracracy to issue a permit for reciprocity, then you can kiss Consttitutional Carry goodbye. They will want as much money as they can get. We can look forward to Constitutional Carry 10-15 years from now after we travel the road that AK & AZ did.

If we do get, which I doubt we will, Constitutional Carry with an optional permit for reciporcity, Wisconsin will be the first. To go from a ban on CCW to where AK & AZ are tody. Think about it. Wisconsin will be the first. When has Wisconsin ever been the first to do anything.
 
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When has Wisconsin ever been the first to do anything.[/QUOTE said:
Sewer Socialism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewer_Socialism
We were the first big socialists in America

In 1897, Milwaukee Socialists joined with labor to form a new political party, the Social-Democrats, and Milwaukee became the first Socialist city in the United States.

In 1910, with three parties in the running, Socialists won major electoral victories in Milwaukee. Emil Seidel became the nation's first Socialist mayor.

Most significantly, Victor Berger went to Washington as the first Socialist Congressman.

In 1918, Berger again won a seat in Congress, but the House of Representatives refused to permit him to take his seat for violating the federal Espionage Act.
In 1922, Berger ran for Congress and won. This time, the House allowed Berger to take his seat and he served for three successive terms.

Both Seidel and Berger lost in 1912, but by 1916, Milwaukee citizens had elected another Socialist mayor, Daniel Hoan. Although the Socialists never again completely controlled city government as they had in 1910, Hoan remained in office until 1940 and Socialists continued to exert a powerful influence in Milwaukee politics.



This explains much about our state ;)
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I like to use the word "argue"

davegran said:
Gee, was there an argument? I must have missed it. I was just restating the facts. :monkey
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in all its forms as meaning to have a rational, logical exchange of ideas. However, that seldom happens here. This topic has popped up at least four times that I can remember. Certain concepts or "facts" get fixed in people's minds and it takes some effort to correct erroneous information. That is a good thing to do. I just smile because it doesn't seem to make a difference that there was a 200 post thread that ran for weeks about X. In due course, somebody will bring up X again. Let's see how long it takes before somebody says that a non-MI person must have a permit from his own state to OC in MI. I'm guessing no more than six months.
 
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apjonas said:
in all its forms as meaning to have a rational, logical exchange of ideas. However, that seldom happens here. This topic has popped up at least four times that I can remember. Certain concepts or "facts" get fixed in people's minds and it takes some effort to correct erroneous information. That is a good thing to do. I just smile because it doesn't seem to make a difference that there was a 200 post thread that ran for weeks about X. In due course, somebody will bring up X again. Let's see how long it takes before somebody says that a non-MI person must have a permit from his own state to OC in MI. I'm guessing no more than six months.
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Discussions on matters such as this do seem to come full circle again and again; but welcome to the internet. The funny thing in this case was that Protias; correctly I might add, posted a link to the thread in which it was discussed yet it still resulted in a debate. Welcome to the internet again I guess.

Anyway, the proper way to deal with recurring questions, IMHO, is to use the search function and post a previous thread on the matter. Usually that works. In any case, we have to deal with it if we want to continue to provide information for others and be helpful.
 
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Discussions on matters such as this do seem to come full circle again and again; but welcome to the internet. The funny thing in this case was that Protias; correctly I might add, posted a link to the thread in which it was discussed yet it still resulted in a debate. Welcome to the internet again I guess.

Anyway, the proper way to deal with recurring questions, IMHO, is to use the search function and post a previous thread on the matter. Usually that works. In any case, we have to deal with it if we want to continue to provide information for others and be helpful.
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NSFW due to language

[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=evr_tP9cJWY[/video]

[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqgSSAh8Cqs[/video]

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We need an FAQ section

Brass Magnet said:
Discussions on matters such as this do seem to come full circle again and again; but welcome to the internet. The funny thing in this case was that Protias; correctly I might add, posted a link to the thread in which it was discussed yet it still resulted in a debate. Welcome to the internet again I guess.

Anyway, the proper way to deal with recurring questions, IMHO, is to use the search function and post a previous thread on the matter. Usually that works. In any case, we have to deal with it if we want to continue to provide information for others and be helpful.
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What we need is a stickied FAQ section for those topics that keep coming up over and over again because new members refuse to take the time and effort to do a search.
 
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Something Even Better!

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How about this? How about we work for CC in WI and then work on a Federal reciprocity bill which states 'if you are legal in your home state, you are legal everywhere'? That would get us into CA and NY and Chicago.
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Let's scrap state permits and have one national permit issued from Washington! We can combine it with the unified national driver's license which will also indicate whether or not you are an organ donor (don't worry - you will be whether you want to or not). The same standards for NYC and Nome. What could be better? Some small print that says that in exchange for the permit you give the government the right to inventory your weapons twice a year? We should also push for the elimination of law enforcement below the national level. State, county, city police would become local offices of the FBI. Just think how much we could save by having uniform uniforms. I'm in favor of a brown shirt myself. We can put the savings into Obamacare. Perhaps a new computer program that determines whether your miserable life is worth the cost of saving. Maybe keeping your voting registration with your medical chart would be useful - any evidence of supporting the Tea Party types would entitle you to a free mental health screening. Yep, once we start putting more and more power into the hands of the wizards of smart in D.C., all will be well. The insight and great ideas that emanate from this board never cease to amaze me.

Genesis 25:34 And Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentils; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way. So Esau despised his birthright.

Agree 100%. This is no time to go backward. Set the standard for all other states and the Federal government to follow!
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