OC in a public library

Harry25 · Dec 13, 2010

Just had a quick question...

The way I understand it, I am legally allowed to carry in a public library, because MCL 123.1102 prevents a city from restricting carry, and because its not on the list of PFZs.

Am I correct?

-Harry

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Venator · Dec 13, 2010

Harry25 said:
Just had a quick question...

The way I understand it, I am legally allowed to carry in a public library, because MCL 123.1102 prevents a city from restricting carry, and because its not on the list of PFZs.

Am I correct?

-Harry

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http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...ist-your-open-carry-experiences-here./page377 see post 5723

Yes you are correct. The link above is about a MOC member being asked to leave the downtown Lansing library. MOC, Inc. is addressing it.

TheQ · Dec 13, 2010

You are correct. This does not mean you won't get hassled as lil_freak did recently. See his recent post in the stickied "list your open carry experience" thread.

lil_freak_66 · Dec 13, 2010

Yes preemption makes a public library unable to legally make you leave due to lawfully carrying a firearm.

but,just like cities,occasionally you will find one trying to squirm around preemption one way or another,but they always get corrected sooner or later.

Michigander · Dec 13, 2010

You are generally correct, however remember that state law could theoretically come into play beyond the scope of simple city or county interference. For example, a library could be in the same building as a court house which would prohibit all carry, or it could be operated by a k-12 school system, requiring CPL holder OC. Lastly, it could be a college library, and the community colleges act (state law, not subject to preemption or any other laws, including the constitution apparently) grants colleges nearly unbounded authority to do whatever the hell they want, and it seems all prohibit weapons unless it's for their kop skools or their own kops. No matter what, always, always ask yourself if you are certain that you are within your rights to OC.

sasha601 · Dec 13, 2010

Michigander said:
You are generally correct, however remember that state law could theoretically come into play beyond the scope of simple city or county interference. For example, a library could be in the same building as a court house which would prohibit all carry, or it could be operated by a k-12 school system, requiring CPL holder OC. Lastly, it could be a college library, and the community colleges act (state law, not subject to preemption or any other laws, including the constitution apparently) grants colleges nearly unbounded authority to do whatever the hell they want, and it seems all prohibit weapons unless it's for their kop skools or their own kops. No matter what, always, always ask yourself if you are certain that you are within your rights to OC.

Please correct me if i am wrong: In order for OC be prohibited in Court or building where Court is housed, there should be a sign posted at the entrance with very specific language dictated by the Court Order. And, the way this order is written, if such sign is not there then legally OC is ok.

TheQ · Dec 13, 2010

sasha601 said:
Please correct me if i am wrong: In order for OC be prohibited in Court or building where Court is housed, there should be a sign posted at the entrance with very specific language dictated by the Court Order. And, the way this order is written, if such sign is not there then legally OC is ok.

That's my understanding.

No weapons allowed by order of the court. Persons entering are subject to search.

...or the like.

Gort · Dec 13, 2010

Read This Section (d) Posting of notice

US Supreme Court
http://law.onecle.com/pennsylvania/crimes-and-offenses/00.009.013.000.html

sprinklerguy28 · Dec 14, 2010

lil_freak_66 was kicked out of the library for OCing a shotgun. He intentionally misled everyone here on OCDO and within MOC.

smellslikemichigan · Dec 14, 2010

are shotguns banned from libraries or are you just clarifying what he was carrying?

Venator · Dec 14, 2010

smellslikemichigan said:
are shotguns banned from libraries or are you just clarifying what he was carrying?

No, they are not from municipally owned ones. The point is, the Capitol Area Library can't ban firearms or those that carry them....That's the big picture which at times can be missed.

Either we are free or we are not.

smellslikemichigan · Dec 14, 2010

that's what i thought.

Venator · Dec 14, 2010

MOC leadership is handling this situation, long gun discussions can be posted on MOC's website's long gun thread.

Haman J.T. · Dec 15, 2010

sprinklerguy28 said:
lil_freak_66 was kicked out of the library for OCing a shotgun. He intentionally misled everyone here on OCDO and within MOC.

Whats misleading about OCing as he stated.I remember the same treatment of those with holstered handguns before any of you thought about it.Someone has to stand up for our rights.Toss out all PC ideas and fears,our lives depend on those who are willing to fight and die for our rights!

emt232004 · Dec 17, 2010

Venator said:
MOC leadership is handling this situation, long gun discussions can be posted on MOC's website's long gun thread.

Yes they are handling it by moving the post to the member section where you have to pay to post and view. Gives new meaning to their "nothing to hide" catch phrase

autosurgeon · Dec 17, 2010

emt232004 said:
Yes they are handling it by moving the post to the member section where you have to pay to post and view. Gives new meaning to their "nothing to hide" catch phrase

When a topic relates specifically to a members conduct we prefer to discuss that among the other members. Not the public at large.

emt232004 · Dec 17, 2010

autosurgeon said:
When a topic relates specifically to a members conduct we prefer to discuss that among the other members. Not the public at large.

So if I was to pay for a membership to support MOC anything that I oc on my own time would have to be discussed among other members and not with the public at large just because I had shown my support and was legally carrying a firearm.

I have not been around long but as someone new this is not the first thing I have seen them move to a members only section it does not look good to the public on their part from my point of view.

autosurgeon · Dec 17, 2010

emt232004 said:
So if I was to pay for a membership to support MOC anything that I oc on my own time would have to be discussed among other members and not with the public at large just because I had shown my support and was legally carrying a firearm.

I have not been around long but as someone new this is not the first thing I have seen them move to a members only section it does not look good to the public on their part from my point of view.

Read my response on the MOC forum... it may help you understand what we chose to do. Also the leadership reserves the right delete or move any post or thread for any reason at any time on the MOC forums.

Haman J.T. · Dec 17, 2010

This certainly isn't an MOC forum.I remember someone OCing an AR near an Obama rally.

Venator · Dec 17, 2010

emt232004 said:
Yes they are handling it by moving the post to the member section where you have to pay to post and view. Gives new meaning to their "nothing to hide" catch phrase

What I meant was that the MOC forum has a thread on long gun OC for discussion, whereas OCDO doesn't want any discussing on long gun OC. that's all.

And there are certain things discussed in the members only forum...so do many other orgs. If you want in just join.

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