I'm asking you a serious question.
I gave you a serious response.
If you have to ask permission, it isn't a Right.
If you have to pay for it, it Isn't a Right.
If YOU are registered (via the license), it isn't a Right.
If you have to surrender other Rights to do it, it isn't a Right.
If you have to hide it, it isn't a Right.
That last one is the only part that will change.
OC isn't a right. Carry by itself is the right.
Agreed.
A Right cannot be taxed.
A Right cannot require you to give up other Rights.
A Right does not require permission.
"dangerous gun carrier"
*checks his license*
Stop right there. the fact that you had to beg and prove your innocence to get it, covers all the bases.
It says "Concealed Weapon or Firearm License". You don't need to own a gun to have a carry license, I could carry a knife if I wanted to. Now, if the carry license itself listed the guns on the permit, I'd say it is gun registration. It isn't.
I never said it was Gun registration. It's PERSON registration with a specific cause in mind. It isn't much different from being a Registered Jew, or a Registered Sex Offender. Registering PEOPLE as 'known weapon possessors' is a dangerous re-branding of the same historical events. Intent be damned; it does what it does, and it is what it is. The intent changes with every election, so that can't be a consideration in law and government.
"lose other rights"
What rights are those?
It creates an 'unenforcible' circumstance to Carriers.
No Sterile Carry.
No Right to Remain Silent (Hiibel excepted, also, the FL Loitering Statute's stop and identify clause outlining RAS for the Court's Findings in Hiibel).
No protections of any kind under the 4th or 5th Amendment.
While, technically, these will still exist, asserting them as a citizen will become impossible. Our 4th Amendment Rights will become unenforcible.
Just because they have an R next to their name, doesn't mean they support unlicensed OC by itself. Politicians slippery and slimy bastards, as you well know.
Entirely agreed; which is why they shouldn't have the control that a privilege gives them, a Right is much harder for them to abuse.
OC was already gone in 1987 when the media decided to go on the warpath against OC by finding the a "scary black man" with an openly carried handgun and plastering it all over the papers and the TV news. They were already causing a massive amount of hysteria with the recently passed concealed carry law and the preemption statute (the preemption statute was what wiped away all local general carry/OC bans), so the Legislature passed FL Statute 790.053. You can't walk out on the street and open carry just to open carry now.
I know, I was there.
Am I arguing that licensed OC is right or constitutional? No. My preference is constitutional carry, where you can OC or CC without license. I am, however, not going to call for the defeat of licensed OC out of a test of purity.
I understand this, I'm taking exception the blind eye being turned to the domination tendencies that FL Politics has. There is pseudo-freedom here, so long as you submit to a boot on your neck in advance. Virtually every aspect of living in FL is tainted by a permanent strangle hold, all they have to do is squeeze. There is absolutely no way to live here without putting your head in the noose over average, everyday activities and hoping that the gov is feeling charitable enough not to pull the lever. My statement and belief is that if you're going to take OC back, you better do it right or it'll end up being turned into a curse. These bastards will find a way, just like they did with the seatbelt law.
When both the shall-issue carry law and the OC ban passed (OC ban passed in a called emergency session to deal with this exact issue, by Governor Martinez, a guy with an R next to his name, remember that), there was only one effective restriction against carry:
FLORIDA: "The right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and of the lawful authority of the state shall not be infringed, except that the manner of bearing arms may be regulated by law." Fla. Const. art. I, S 8
Precisely.
The 11th Circuit, the federal circuit court of appeal with jurisdiction over Florida, Georgia, and Alabama, ruled 2A to be a collective right, and definitely not applicable to the states in any case. These case rulings are now dead letter due to Heller and McDonald.
The 11th Circuit? Really? Do they even know the SCOTUS exists?
Florida gets licensed OC, while slightly disappointing, won't stop the march towards constitutional carry so that one doesn't need to pay a fee or get a license. That is my end goal. Is it yours? Since my parents are still there, I don't want them to pay a fee for a right, either.
FLORIDA: "The right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and of the lawful authority of the state shall not be infringed, except that the manner of bearing arms may be regulated by law." Fla. Const. art. I, S 8
Precisely; why Licensing OC will be creating an additional barrier, not a stepping stone to Constitutional Carry.
The State's Constitution claims the authority to make a Privilege of it. The 11th will uphold this on the 'reasonable regulation' premise that the SCOTUS groundlessly legislated.
-Gray, raised in Florida thirteen years.
Born here, never left. WAAAAYY more than 13 years..... ;-)