ChiangShih
Regular Member
I was reading the Aldis thread and thinking, it would be nice if there were some form of protection from what, IMO, is discrimination towards law-abiding pro-gun citizens. When it really comes down to it, we are a group of individuals exercising a constitutional right; however, we are being asked to leave stores, threatened with legal action, black listed from locations, and labeled suspicious persons.
So let’s consider a few things.
We know the gun movement has fought for advancement through civil liberties cases. Civil liberty cases focuses on private or individual rights and liberties.
However, do gun owners, when looked at on a macro level, constitute a significant enough population to push for gun rights under a civil rights perspective? Civil rights cases, of course, focus on the equal protection of a group. So the question is, do pistol owners and carriers fall under the Equal Protection Clause and the courts standard of review?
When discussing the equal protection clause, OCers would fall under "others" in classification. This placement would subject us to the "minimum rationality standard," which asks, "Is there any rational foundation for the discrimination?" In my opinion the answer would be no, but would the courts agree?
So, how would we approach this in a legal sense?
The Equal Protection Clause states, "No state shall ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." As the second amendment has recently been incorporated into the 14th amendment, can we apply this clause to this legal theory?
What we are really facing here is discrimination on a private level. This is why the property owners at stores can ask us to leave or ban us from the property for a law abiding action. However, we have a legal framework to learn from thanks to civil rights cases in the 60s that dealt specifically with private discrimination. (Katzenbach v. McClung and Heart of Atlanta Motel Inc. v. United States)
Within these cases, the court states its position of how private entities relate to the public spectrum and state, specifically, how the commerce clause was expanded to protect individuals from being discriminated against by a private business.
Opinions of the courts:
When the private actor is performing a "public function," for example, its activities are treated as state action and subject to the equal protection clause.
Even localized acts of discrimination may, when considered cumulatively with other such acts around the nation, have a substantial impact on interstate commerce when aggregated.
Now, although a company like Aldis or Wal-mart may have a corporate policy in place respecting the local laws the actions of its manager, a representative of the company, may still be discriminatory and biased. This theory would more easily apply to big box stores that have direct connections to interstate commerce and to those who openly ban firearms (and effectively the patrons who own them) at the door. Though these stores may argue they are not banning individuals, just the firearm he or she wishes to carry, this is essentially de facto discrimination.
This theory gains further strength in areas were these larger corporate stores are the main or only source of goods and services, thus limiting the options of a gun-carrying individual.
The only way I could see stores attempting to get around this legal theory would be to prove OCers are having a larger negative effect on their commerce, which, in my opinion, would be very, very hard to do.
We should not have to sacrifice an incorporated civil liberty and constitutional right to appease the biased and discriminatory individuals within the private sector.
So let’s consider a few things.
We know the gun movement has fought for advancement through civil liberties cases. Civil liberty cases focuses on private or individual rights and liberties.
However, do gun owners, when looked at on a macro level, constitute a significant enough population to push for gun rights under a civil rights perspective? Civil rights cases, of course, focus on the equal protection of a group. So the question is, do pistol owners and carriers fall under the Equal Protection Clause and the courts standard of review?
When discussing the equal protection clause, OCers would fall under "others" in classification. This placement would subject us to the "minimum rationality standard," which asks, "Is there any rational foundation for the discrimination?" In my opinion the answer would be no, but would the courts agree?
So, how would we approach this in a legal sense?
The Equal Protection Clause states, "No state shall ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." As the second amendment has recently been incorporated into the 14th amendment, can we apply this clause to this legal theory?
What we are really facing here is discrimination on a private level. This is why the property owners at stores can ask us to leave or ban us from the property for a law abiding action. However, we have a legal framework to learn from thanks to civil rights cases in the 60s that dealt specifically with private discrimination. (Katzenbach v. McClung and Heart of Atlanta Motel Inc. v. United States)
Within these cases, the court states its position of how private entities relate to the public spectrum and state, specifically, how the commerce clause was expanded to protect individuals from being discriminated against by a private business.
Opinions of the courts:
When the private actor is performing a "public function," for example, its activities are treated as state action and subject to the equal protection clause.
Even localized acts of discrimination may, when considered cumulatively with other such acts around the nation, have a substantial impact on interstate commerce when aggregated.
Now, although a company like Aldis or Wal-mart may have a corporate policy in place respecting the local laws the actions of its manager, a representative of the company, may still be discriminatory and biased. This theory would more easily apply to big box stores that have direct connections to interstate commerce and to those who openly ban firearms (and effectively the patrons who own them) at the door. Though these stores may argue they are not banning individuals, just the firearm he or she wishes to carry, this is essentially de facto discrimination.
This theory gains further strength in areas were these larger corporate stores are the main or only source of goods and services, thus limiting the options of a gun-carrying individual.
The only way I could see stores attempting to get around this legal theory would be to prove OCers are having a larger negative effect on their commerce, which, in my opinion, would be very, very hard to do.
We should not have to sacrifice an incorporated civil liberty and constitutional right to appease the biased and discriminatory individuals within the private sector.
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