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    Video Gun Buyback In Detroit...alternative

    In an effort to help save the city of Detroit some money, a few guys decided to attend the gun buyback this morning and purchase guns for more money than the DPD was offering.

    After the first gun was purchased, the Storm Troopers came marching in.

    Here is the aftermath....

    http://www.youtube.com/user/jacuzzib.../0/xhYhwruGMEs

    video quality is not the best, but it was taken with a spy cam.
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    Another example of Detroit's finest...

    I'd file a complaint against the officer. His conduct was far from professional.

    I'd like to see what crime they invent for those guys. Keep us posted?
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    MCL 123.1102:

    A local unit of government shall not impose special taxation on, enact or enforce any ordinance or regulation pertaining to, or regulate in any other manner the ownership, registration, purchase, sale, transfer, transportation, or possession of pistols or other firearms, ammunition for pistols or other firearms, or components of pistols or other firearms, except as otherwise provided by federal law or a law of this state.
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    another bad apple giving cops bad names. that cop was acting like a jerk and most certainly overstepping his authority with unwarranted threats.
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    Where was this at?

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    Did the cop-tard say it was Church property? I am wondering if anyone of them are congregation of that church, if it is a church.


    Quote Originally Posted by lapeer20m View Post
    In an effort to help save the city of Detroit some money, a few guys decided to attend the gun buyback this morning and purchase guns for more money than the DPD was offering.

    After the first gun was purchased, the Storm Troopers came marching in.

    Here is the aftermath....

    http://www.youtube.com/user/jacuzzib.../0/xhYhwruGMEs

    video quality is not the best, but it was taken with a spy cam.
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    I liked the look on the female cops face when she realized everyone had a gun

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremy05 View Post
    I liked the look on the female cops face when she realized everyone had a gun
    That was priceless!
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    I think I would check to see if there was and official checks run on everyone there. You wasn't breaking the law and I am wondering if he broke the law running evryone through the system. I may be wrong.....just sayin
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    I disagree with the Police Officer's reaction to the whole event. It seemed to me that he was deeply personally offended by the concept of a private citizen buying a firearm from someone in such a casual encounter and at this Church in particular that he allowed his own emotions to lower his level of professionalism that we must demand from our Police Officers when they conduct investigations in a public area.

    Though it would seem that once he knew the purchaser had a CPL he should have ended the non-consensual encounter. If he so chose to alert to the property owner of the encounter and the property owner chose to tell them to leave and they complied, He should not have had any further non-consensual interaction with the citizens as they had not broken any laws.

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    I've thought about doing the same thing myself, though I don't have the money for it.

    I betcha the police didn't know at the time that they were being recorded. Wonder how the PD PR flacks are gonna try to spin this? Especially with that one extremely rude & aggressive officer. Waaaaaaay beyond professional conduct.

    And what 'crime' were the police investigating that they were allowed to detain those guys & compel ID?
    Is there a state law saying that private citizens can't sell their property wherever, to whomever they choose?
    Or that, in the case of guns, either the seller or buyer has to have a permit?

    ETA: I see from further postings that MI does require a permit to purchase, & registration of that purchase. Yikes.

    Those guys weren't doing anything illegal (unlike the police), and I'll bet you dimes to dollars the owner of the property hadn't asked them to leave.

    This should be interesting to watch the fallout - citizens trying to save the gov't money, not committing crimes, police (on camera) commit crimes against those citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    This should be interesting to watch the fallout - citizens trying to save the gov't money, not committing crimes, police (on camera) commit crimes against those citizens.
    This and more at 11!

    Sadly, how the media will hype it may be more like this: Guns being sold on the streets of Detroit, police break up arms deal.
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    My Letter to Chief Godbee

    My Letter to Chief Godbee
    Chief Godbee,

    I'm sure you are aware of firearm laws of Michigan. I'm sure you know from these laws that:

    1. Anyone 18 years old or older (without a felony) may legally buy a long-arm anywhere in the state of Michigan, without a permit of any kind or any background checks from a private party. Buying a long arm from an FFL dealer will require the standard Federal background check.

    2. Anyone with a Permit to Purchase a Pistol or a CPL may purchase a pistol from any private individual. The parties merely need to complete the Permit to Purchase together or, in the case of a CPL, fill out a Pistol Sales form. The buyer must then turn the sales record form into their local PD.

    I can cite the relevant laws for you (MCL), but I have a hunch you may already know them. One that I can cite off the top of my head is MCL 123.1102:

    A local unit of government shall not impose special taxation on, enact or enforce any ordinance or regulation pertaining to, or regulate in any other manner the ownership, registration, purchase, sale, transfer, transportation, or possession of pistols or other firearms, ammunition for pistols or other firearms, or components of pistols or other firearms, except as otherwise provided by federal law or a law of this state.

    With that in mind, I was hoping you could shed some light on the conduct of a few of your officers lately:





    A little more background. These fellows decided to show up at a place recently where the city was in the process of its gun "buy back" program. They decided to save the city some money and offer the buyers slightly more than what the city would pay them. A win-win, right?


    I'm sure some of the more Liberty minded organizations and Firearm rights organizations would be anxious to know what you plan to do to correct this matter, as would I. I don't know the private citizens involved, but I would hope they follow up with your office, the Mayor's office, and DPD IA. I think we can all agree the lead officer's conduct was for from professional and far from what we'd expect of our public servants. I'd like to think you hold the members of your force to a HIGHER standard of professionalism than the acts displayed here.


    Most sincerely, a concerned citizen,


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    Quote Originally Posted by lapeer20m View Post
    actually, the cameraman was holding a sony handycam in plain view. It is just more difficult to transfer and upload the video from that device to youtube.
    Are you planning to follow up with the chief, IA, and maybe a lawyer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    Are you planning to follow up with the chief, IA, and maybe a lawyer?
    To what end?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougwg View Post
    To what end?
    Well, the first two to get the officers educated about proper police conduct and professionalism. The last one in the case the department doesn't seek to improve their officers' conduct voluntarily.
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    Last edited by lapeer20m; 02-16-2011 at 09:14 PM.
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    Not a shocker here. Detroit PD hires officers based on diversity, not merit. They also have one of the lowest hiring standards in Michigan and probably one of the lowest in the country.

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    I thought the plan was to stand on public property so the private property issue wouldn't come up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venator View Post
    I thought the plan was to stand on public property so the private property issue wouldn't come up?
    The place is huge...

    We wouldn't have gotten anything standing outside the gate so we stood just to the left of the entrance.

    We didn't have any signs...this time.

    I wanted to do this as the FIRST FOOT IN THE DOOR type thing. Before you know it, people will be crashing "gun buy backs" all over the country.
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    Does the gun you bought work properly? Tried it yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    Does the gun you bought work properly? Tried it yet?
    Haven't tried it yet.

    and again, that wasn't the point.

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