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    There must be more to this story


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    I would like to know; the make/model (oops, I can't read - Smith and Wesson 500 revolver ) of the firearm, holster type and if alcohol played a roll.
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    Unless the holster he was wearing was made of paper, or wasn't intended for the gun in the first-place, I just don't buy it.

    All the S&W 500 revolvers I see on the S&W website are SA/DA, so I figure this gubber was wearing it around with the hammer back in the holster or he was playing with it, most likely the latter.

    I just don't see a gun with a 10 pound DA trigger pull going off without a finger pulling it.

    Yea...I don't buy his story, but if a gunsmith looks at it and says there is something mechanically wrong with the internal safeties that would have allowed this, well...I will eat one of my barrel cleaning cottons.

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    $100 says he was messing around with live ammunition when he shouldn't have been.
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    Likely something to do with "Quick Draw McDraw" and the trigger finger where it should not have been.
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    Thank God no one was injured. If he is charged, reckless indangerment is much better than being charged with involuntary manslaughter!
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    Really? Revolver accidentally fired?

    /facepalm

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    Sorry "Homer" this pistol didn't discharge just because you sat down hard. You had your finger on the trigger when it went off. If it was an old antique I might believe this but since it is a modern pistol, and also a Double Action, it has a feature that keeps the hammer from setting off a round UNLESS THE TRIGGER IS PULLED!

    As the old farmer told his son, "Don't eat that Elmer, it's *********".

    What's sad about this story is that there are "dumbos" out there that will believe it just went off. "You know how dangerous those guns can be".

    BTW, he can be real happy that the round missed his toe. His shoe would fit real loose if it hadn't.
    Maybe he should consider playing with something he was born with rather than guns. At least it would be safer for his neighbors.
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    I've got one of these revolvers.... must have a 15 pound pull on double action! About impossible to have an "accidental" discharge in the manner described UNLESS the revolver was improperly holstered and SOMETHING with some mass and strength got in the trigger-guard.

    Now, with the hammer back the pull is MUCH lighter. But IT STILL AIN"T GOING OFF UNLESS SOMETHING GETS IN THE TRIGGER GUARD AND PULLS THE TRIGGER!

    My "guess" is that the guy had it in a waist band OR JUST IN HIS HAND and with the hammer back as he played and then he sat down with a thump on his rump with is finger on the trigger and he heard a HUGE boom. Strange-- no mention that I saw in the report of damage to any furniture LIKE THE CHAIR HE WAS "SUPPOSEDLY" SITTING IN WHEN THIS HAPPENED.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trigger dr View Post

    wtf!!!
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    I agree with those of you saying that his story in BS. His best action is to stick with that story and don't change it one bit. He better have it burned into his memory so he doesn't waiver.

    With that said I am sure he has learned a valuable lesson and will not forget it. Unless he is stupid beyond help he won't do it again so pay the fine if there is one and quit playing Dirty Harry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    I've got one of these revolvers.... must have a 15 pound pull on double action! About impossible to have an "accidental" discharge in the manner described UNLESS the revolver was improperly holstered and SOMETHING with some mass and strength got in the trigger-guard.

    Now, with the hammer back the pull is MUCH lighter. But IT STILL AIN"T GOING OFF UNLESS SOMETHING GETS IN THE TRIGGER GUARD AND PULLS THE TRIGGER!

    My "guess" is that the guy had it in a waist band OR JUST IN HIS HAND and with the hammer back as he played and then he sat down with a thump on his rump with is finger on the trigger and he heard a HUGE boom. Strange-- no mention that I saw in the report of damage to any furniture LIKE THE CHAIR HE WAS "SUPPOSEDLY" SITTING IN WHEN THIS HAPPENED.
    Even if the hammer was back and by some chance the holster caused the trigger to release it, the trigger has to be fully pulled back to pull the "hammer block" out of position so the hammer can fully drop and fire the round. Likewise if the thumb was on the hammer.
    For those that aren't familiar with modern revolvers, take an unloaded one and look through the gap at the rear of the cylinder. Shouldn't see a firing pin with the hammer down. Now, cock it, put your thumb on the hammer and by pulling the trigger all the way back and holding it, when the hammer is released you will see the firing pin between the "breech face" and the cylinder, through the gap. When you release the trigger then the firing pin will be retracted. This is a safety feature many manufacturers, especially S&W, use to keep the firearm from discharging when there is no finger pulling the trigger fully back. This is similar to the firing pin lock on a semi-automatic pistol although the operation is different. This "safety feature" became pretty standard on revolvers after some "Homer" in Texas shot himself in the leg and then sued Ruger.

    There are no "what if's" in this case, the dude had his finger on the trigger. If the gun WAS in the holster, the side-blast from the gap between forcing cone and cylinder is enough to blow out a chunk of meat, not to mention the muzzle blast. He's not only real stupid, but also real lucky.
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    Dumb question

    If a tree falls in the forest and no one hears the crash, does it still make a sound?

    How can he be charged for reckless endangerment if the apartment was empty?....under the law, who was endangered?
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    I'm not versed in Washington State law and am not going to go researching it [sop to "The Rules"], but I'll wager that "shooting into an occupied dwelling" or something very similar to that is on the books as part of reckless endangerment.

    Even though the tenants were not inside the apartment it was/is technically "occupied" by virture of being where someone resides and has their abode (wonderful legal distinctions between those two synonyms).

    Being as how I agree that there were some shinnanigans going on to cause a S&W 500 to discharge while it was in the holster (barring either an improper holster or true mechanical failure), our intrepid storyteller oight to be glad reckless endangerment is all he got charged with. And I'll give good odds he will be able to plea it down, too.

    Sure hope he learned something from all that will be involved.

    stay safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .45ACPaddy View Post
    $100 says he was messing around with live ammunition when he shouldn't have been.
    Like this genius!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCi1uNdYgbU

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbone View Post
    Copied directly from that video site:

    "By the way, these are "dummy" rounds I'm using that were made for me by a reloader. They have no powder and spent primers. Live rounds should never be handled like this in an urban setting."

    Back OT: Be willing to add to the pot that says he had his bugger hook on the trigger. It states that he was unfamiliar with it as it belongs to a friend.

    One of the cardinal rules of firearm safety: "Know your weapon."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRetired View Post
    Copied directly from that video site:

    "By the way, these are "dummy" rounds I'm using that were made for me by a reloader. They have no powder and spent primers. Live rounds should never be handled like this in an urban setting."

    Back OT: Be willing to add to the pot that says he had his bugger hook on the trigger. It states that he was unfamiliar with it as it belongs to a friend.

    One of the cardinal rules of firearm safety: "Know your weapon."
    Thanks, I complety missed the text, I've alwasy been a look at the pictures guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by jt59 View Post
    If a tree falls in the forest and no one hears the crash, does it still make a sound?

    How can he be charged for reckless endangerment if the apartment was empty?....under the law, who was endangered?
    He didn't know it was empty.

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    The police department should have the weapon inspected by Smith and Wesson. If it is found to be mechanically flawed, then this story is confirmed. If it found to be functioning properly (and a modern revolver like a Smith and Wesson 500 Magnum is built like a tank), then the story doesn't stand.

    He is lucky that he was not injured. Even more important, there was no one home or no one injured.

    When I lived in an apartment, I made sure to load my .357 Magnum with Remington Golden Sabers because they weren't full .357 Magnum loads and every round that doesn't hit the bad guy becomes one HUGE liability. Tactics in an apartment are a different thread though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by palerider116 View Post
    every round that doesn't hit the bad guy becomes one HUGE liability.
    A number one argument for practice. Not just a fun day at the "pit" or range but serious practice designed to meet any challenge that you might meet in the middle of the night or in your "travels".

    Shooting paper is fine to warm up and adjust point of aim. Shooting a pineapple at the pit is neat 'cause of the big explosion of goo when you hit it. Why not put the pineapple on a piece of heavy twine, suspend it from a support that would let it swing back and forth. Put your weapon at low ready, then have someone shout "Now". See if you can bring the weapon up and hit the pineapple in 1 or 2 seconds. An old portable basketball hoop makes a nice platform for swinging targets. Just put a 2x4 extension on the arms that support the backboard and suspend your "target" from the end. When you get to the point you can hit a moving target regularly, the risk of "missing" in a real scenario is greatly reduced.

    Just remember that the "bad guy" you encounter will not be just standing there with a 6" black circle painted on his chest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Just remember that the "bad guy" you encounter will not be just standing there with a 6" black circle painted on his chest.
    I bought a nice white t-shirt with one of those on it!

    I figure if the anti's could ask a home invader to "hold on" while they call the police and wait for them to arrive, I could ask them to put the t-shirt on to make hitting them easier.

    Logical, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FMCDH View Post
    I bought a nice white t-shirt with one of those on it!

    I figure if the anti's could ask a home invader to "hold on" while they call the police and wait for them to arrive, I could ask them to put the t-shirt on to make hitting them easier.

    Logical, right?
    Ha. Thats funny. It wouldn't be unreasonable for me to ask him to stand within 10 yards and hold still either.

    Does your shirt come with splash stickers to cover up the previous rounds so you can reuse it?
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