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    Wounded store owner fights back kills 3 robbers

    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/...0031292634288/

    HOUSTON, Dec. 17 (UPI) -- A Houston jewelry and pawn shop proprietor shot and killed three alleged armed robbers despite having been bound and shot multiple times himself, police say.... See link
    Exo 22:2 "If anyone catches a thief breaking in and hits him so that he dies, he is not guilty of murder.
    Luke 22:36: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luk 11:21 "When a strong man, with all his weapons ready, guards his own house, all his belongings are safe.

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    Wow what a great story of self defense and self reliance! God Bless this man, I hope he pulls through. And I am grateful his wife is okay. Hopefully this gets some local (Texas), and national press, although I doubt it will get national press.
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    Holy smoke! One tough pawn shop owner! Good for him.

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    Outstanding! Good for the store owner, score +3 for the good of humanity. Albeit, I wonder, given his line of work, he didn't feel the need to invest in a concealable bulletproof vest. Maybe in Texas those items are only available to LEOs?
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    I think the Government should pay him one Million dollars. Why? He saved the State a ton of money with trials, appeals, food, housing, medical care, and whatever else I missed plus the prevention of recidivism by three dangerous murders yes they tried to murder him so intent is the same as the act. All and all the State would be a few million ahead if the paid him one million dollars. Not to mention the personal losses of the future victims of the savages.


    Quote Originally Posted by cmdr_iceman71 View Post
    Outstanding! Good for the store owner, score +3 for the good of humanity. Albeit, I wonder, given his line of work, he didn't feel the need to invest in a concealable bulletproof vest. Maybe in Texas those items are only available to LEOs?
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    Exo 22:2 "If anyone catches a thief breaking in and hits him so that he dies, he is not guilty of murder.
    Luke 22:36: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luk 11:21 "When a strong man, with all his weapons ready, guards his own house, all his belongings are safe.

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    The ONLY sad part of this story besides the shop owner being injured is that through the actions of 3 criminals he was forced to take actions that led to the end of their lives.....

    I hope he and his wife recover quickly and fully--- in all aspects of injury!
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    It is sad that the store owner has to deal with the deaths of three savages. I am finding it really hard to find any feeling of sympathy for the savages.


    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    The ONLY sad part of this story besides the shop owner being injured is that through the actions of 3 criminals he was forced to take actions that led to the end of their lives.....

    I hope he and his wife recover quickly and fully--- in all aspects of injury!
    Exo 22:2 "If anyone catches a thief breaking in and hits him so that he dies, he is not guilty of murder.
    Luke 22:36: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luk 11:21 "When a strong man, with all his weapons ready, guards his own house, all his belongings are safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailenforcer View Post
    It is sad that the store owner has to deal with the deaths of three savages. I am finding it really hard to find any feeling of sympathy for the savages.
    In no way was my post intended to read as such! Referring to your last sentence in referring to my post above.
    Last edited by JoeSparky; 12-19-2010 at 12:04 AM.

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    I know, but bet me some libtards are feeling and singing the blues because 3 murderers got their ultimate rewards for their deeds.


    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    In no way was my post intended to read as such!
    Exo 22:2 "If anyone catches a thief breaking in and hits him so that he dies, he is not guilty of murder.
    Luke 22:36: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luk 11:21 "When a strong man, with all his weapons ready, guards his own house, all his belongings are safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailenforcer View Post
    I think the Government should pay him one Million dollars. Why? He saved the State a ton of money with trials, appeals, food, housing, medical care, and whatever else I missed plus the prevention of recidivism by three dangerous murders yes they tried to murder him so intent is the same as the act. All and all the State would be a few million ahead if the paid him one million dollars. Not to mention the personal losses of the future victims of the savages.
    I agree wholeheartedly, that he saved the state a ton of money. By my rough calculations it costs 30K a year to house a prisoner. Given the nature of the crime they were automatically looking at life in prison, I’m guessing they were relatively young (under 30yrs old) so they could easily have spent 35-40 years behind bars. That’s $1,050,000 - $1,200,000 just to house one prisoner for that amount of time. Multiply that by 3 and you get: 3, 150,000 - 3,600,000 and that’s not even adjusted for inflation, including appeals courts, or any health issues they may develop as they age.

    Instead of the state paying him, (because in reality the state has no money, it doesn’t first take from some other tax paying American) he shouldn’t have to pay taxes on anything ever again until he uses up the 3.6 million - 4 million tax credit he saved the state of Texas.

    The only problem I can foresee with this program is that otherwise good people will begin trying murder a criminal for the tax benefits. Instead of shooting until the criminal no longer poses a threat, I fear some will continue shooting until the criminal is dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmdr_iceman71 View Post

    Instead of shooting until the criminal no longer poses a threat, I fear some will continue shooting until the criminal is dead.

    Sounds like a great plan / program to me! Just think of the tax payers money saved on courts & jails!

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    Well I actually pondered calculating all that up as you did, but was too tired to deal with it. Thank you, it aptly demonstrates a point that most people miss. There are those who know that for every dollar the State, Federal, and local Governments bring in as taxes a portion or percentage of that dollar is redirected to things most taxpayers would find a problem with. An example is welfare, for every 7500.00 dollars in welfare money paid to help people in need the State collects 54,000.00 to 57,000.00 in taxes. Waste abuse and misappropriation of tax money by Government is a constant issue and many people are confused by the Statement that Government makes money off the prison system. It is a huge business for the States, and the Federal Government. If there was a law that every single penny must be accounted for we would see things change at light speed. So I agree it will never change because the Government is cashing in on the revolving door of the penal system.

    We the people need to fight as if our life depends on it that we get back 100% of our rights to keep, carry weapons without any and I mean any Government interference because our lives literally, depend on it. I am tired of jumping through hoops to maintain my rights when I have never even had a parking ticket let alone anything else. Register criminals not guns, gun owners, and people who carry. This upside down method of allowing criminals to run around raping murdering and pillaging while restricting hard working law abiding Americans needs to die a swift death. I am tired of the system suspecting we the people, while being so worried the criminals have more rights than us. It is high time this garbage ends.


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    I agree wholeheartedly, that he saved the state a ton of money. By my rough calculations it costs 30K a year to house a prisoner. Given the nature of the crime they were automatically looking at life in prison, Iím guessing they were relatively young (under 30yrs old) so they could easily have spent 35-40 years behind bars. Thatís $1,050,000 - $1,200,000 just to house one prisoner for that amount of time. Multiply that by 3 and you get: 3, 150,000 - 3,600,000 and thatís not even adjusted for inflation, including appeals courts, or any health issues they may develop as they age.

    Instead of the state paying him, (because in reality the state has no money, it doesnít first take from some other tax paying American) he shouldnít have to pay taxes on anything ever again until he uses up the 3.6 million - 4 million tax credit he saved the state of Texas.

    The only problem I can foresee with this program is that otherwise good people will begin trying murder a criminal for the tax benefits. Instead of shooting until the criminal no longer poses a threat, I fear some will continue shooting until the criminal is dead.
    Exo 22:2 "If anyone catches a thief breaking in and hits him so that he dies, he is not guilty of murder.
    Luke 22:36: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luk 11:21 "When a strong man, with all his weapons ready, guards his own house, all his belongings are safe.

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    Okay you think that Law abiding citizens would suddenly become criminals? There was a research project that spanned decades on criminal thinking. It found that criminal thinking and acting on it was embedded in the mindset of the criminal and so few were the exceptions it was almost unmeasurable. This study proved that law abiding citizens just do not go there as a a rule and criminal thought processes are almost never erased from the criminal and that's why recidivism is such a problem. If memory serves me it was Dr. Stanton Friedman was part of that research.

    We disagree on this point, Law abiding people don't suddenly become murderers and the statistics since time and memorial have proven this. And no amount of money causes someone to think like a criminal. This is also proven many times a year by people who find cash and turn it in which they knew never could be traced to them. It reminds me of a former Oil company manager I knew who in a rush after picking up money from several gas stations placed that briefcase loaded with almost 60 Grand in cash fell off his car roof where he forgot it on Mound road and a citizen found it and found him to give it back knowing there was a huge amount of cash in it.
    No we part company here honest people do not become murderers and if we followed Biblical laws we would have a safe society once again. Its high time we do what works and dispense with the socialist psychobabble as a society.

    Exo 22:2 "If anyone catches a thief breaking in and hits him so that he dies, he is not guilty of murder.


    Quote Originally Posted by cmdr_iceman71 View Post
    The only problem I can foresee with this program is that otherwise good people will begin trying murder a criminal for the tax benefits. Instead of shooting until the criminal no longer poses a threat, I fear some will continue shooting until the criminal is dead.
    Exo 22:2 "If anyone catches a thief breaking in and hits him so that he dies, he is not guilty of murder.
    Luke 22:36: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luk 11:21 "When a strong man, with all his weapons ready, guards his own house, all his belongings are safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailenforcer View Post
    Okay you think that Law abiding citizens would suddenly become criminals? There was a research project that spanned decades on criminal thinking. It found that criminal thinking and acting on it was embedded in the mindset of the criminal and so few were the exceptions it was almost unmeasurable. This study proved that law abiding citizens just do not go there as a a rule and criminal thought processes are almost never erased from the criminal and that's why recidivism is such a problem. If memory serves me it was Dr. Stanton Friedman was part of that research.

    We disagree on this point, Law abiding people don't suddenly become murderers and the statistics since time and memorial have proven this. And no amount of money causes someone to think like a criminal. This is also proven many times a year by people who find cash and turn it in which they knew never could be traced to them. It reminds me of a former Oil company manager I knew who in a rush after picking up money from several gas stations placed that briefcase loaded with almost 60 Grand in cash fell off his car roof where he forgot it on Mound road and a citizen found it and found him to give it back knowing there was a huge amount of cash in it.
    No we part company here honest people do not become murderers and if we followed Biblical laws we would have a safe society once again. Its high time we do what works and dispense with the socialist psychobabble as a society.

    Exo 22:2 "If anyone catches a thief breaking in and hits him so that he dies, he is not guilty of murder.
    "No enactment of man can be considered law unless it conforms to the law of God."
    - British jurist, and judge William Blackstone (1723-1780)

    As you can see given the aforementioned quote, I agree wholeheartedly with you about biblical law. However the operative word in my previous statement was some. Rarely will I make sweeping statements implying or using words such as, "all" or "most" unless said statement is generally true.
    "Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth." - President George Washington

    "Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." - Thomas Jefferson

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    But no man becomes a criminal based solely on temptation. Often I hear the media say he was a good kid gone bad, and they interview relatives and friends, who boast how this kid was so wonderful and loving, yet many months later we hear (if we listen) that that good kid had a serious evil streak that went back to his early childhood. Fact is by the time we are in our teens our moral value system is intact wherever that might be. Often I hear people proclaim to be always on high moral ground, and proclaim they never were in trouble with the law, yet in conversation I hear that smug tone of moral relativism creeping out from time to time. Anyone with 2 average functioning brain cells knows moral relativism is no high moral plane. So once again I stand my ground that law abiding people do not suddenly murder because money can be made. if they act in this manner you can be assured those signs were there long before said murderous act was conceived.


    Quote Originally Posted by cmdr_iceman71 View Post
    "No enactment of man can be considered law unless it conforms to the law of God."
    - British jurist, and judge William Blackstone (1723-1780)

    As you can see given the aforementioned quote, I agree wholeheartedly with you about biblical law. However the operative word in my previous statement was some. Rarely will I make sweeping statements implying or using words such as, "all" or "most" unless said statement is generally true.
    Exo 22:2 "If anyone catches a thief breaking in and hits him so that he dies, he is not guilty of murder.
    Luke 22:36: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luk 11:21 "When a strong man, with all his weapons ready, guards his own house, all his belongings are safe.

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    Luk 11:21 "When a strong man, with all his weapons ready, guards his own house, all his belongings are safe.
    Luk 11:22 But when a stronger man attacks him and defeats him, he carries away all the weapons the owner was depending on and divides up what he stole.
    Exo 22:2 "If anyone catches a thief breaking in and hits him so that he dies, he is not guilty of murder.
    Luke 22:36: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luk 11:21 "When a strong man, with all his weapons ready, guards his own house, all his belongings are safe.

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