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    Pledge of Alegiance by Red Skelton

    Thought I'd pass this one along.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZBTyTWOZCM

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    Thumbs up

    good link.

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    Imagine if God were taken out of our county?
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

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    As many times as I have seen him do this , I never get tired of hearing it.

    Thank you for posting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    Imagine if God were taken out of our county?
    I don't think he should be taken out of our country but I also believe strongly that God shouldn't be infused or forced into it either.

    I don't like that it was added into our POA, but I and anyone else who doesn't agree with its placement are simply free to ignore it as well. That's part of what it means to be an American in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK View Post
    I don't think he should be taken out of our country but I also believe strongly that God shouldn't be infused or forced into it either.

    I don't like that it was added into our POA, but I and anyone else who doesn't agree with its placement are simply free to ignore it as well. That's part of what it means to be an American in my opinion.
    While I disagree with your first and second stated opinions, I firmly stand by your right to hold such opinions.

    You are absolutely correct in your third stated opinion.

    I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do those things to other people and I require the same of them.

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    Meh, it's all politics. Years from now when the Christians are out bred and lose the majority to the Muslims they will change it to "One nation under Allah" to get votes. Most politicians will do ANYTHING for the votes of the dominate religious group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mas49.56 View Post
    Meh, it's all politics. Years from now when the Christians are out bred and lose the majority to the Muslims they will change it to "One nation under Allah" to get votes. Most politicians will do ANYTHING for the votes of the dominate religious group.
    That is true of the current batch and probably most future batches.

    Of course I recently found an apt definition of politics(paraphrased herein):

    Poli(poly): Meaning many

    Tics(Ticks): Blood sucking, disease carrying parasitic insects

    I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do those things to other people and I require the same of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    Imagine if God were taken out of our county?
    Yeah, just imagine what sort of heathens would draft a Constitution and Bill of Rights that would be devoid of any mention of the Christian God. Perish the thought...



    Oh, wait a minute... We already have such documents...
    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggression—and this is hogwash."
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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    Imagine if God were taken out of our county?
    Why do you suppose the country is caving in?

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    You mean the pledge of allegiance written by a socialist? Then instituted by other socialist? Nah I won't say it.

    Imagine those saying they shouldn't remove God, because of christian beliefs yet according to their holy book idolatry, such as flag worship, is abhorrent to their God.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    Yeah, just imagine what sort of heathens would draft a Constitution and Bill of Rights that would be devoid of any mention of the Christian God. Perish the thought...



    Oh, wait a minute... We already have such documents...
    Declaration of Independence

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. —Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain [George III] is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
    Interesting the founding fathers decided to use a capitalized letter for Creator, meaning the supreme being, God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    Why do you suppose the country is caving in?
    Because of all the immorality. Life is not sacred to some, well, the unborn anyway, and yet those same people want to let murderers, rapists, etc live. I could go into a whole disortation, but I just don't have the time.
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    Declaration of Independence
    Which, although it is one of the "Founding Documents" of the USA, does not have power of law, and in no way informs our current system of law or government, other than as a "referential document" setting the context of the Revolution. The Declaration of Independence was drafted under British Law, and was a legal document under Crown Rule, and therefore was rendered null an void as a legally influential document when the States voted to form a new, independent union under the Constitution.


    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    Interesting the founding fathers decided to use a capitalized letter for Creator, meaning the supreme being, God.
    It's also interesting that most of the "Founding Fathers" were Freemasons.

    The Freemasons and the Bavarian Illuminati both refer to the deity they worship (Baphomet or Lucifer, depending on whether you believe their lower-level "public" doctrine, or the official writings for the higher-degree inner circle). They Freemasons refer to themselves as a "deist organization"...

    The indigenous tribes of North America refer to their main deity as "The Creator".

    So do the followers of Ifa in NW Africa.

    So did the Celts in Britain.

    And the Mongols.

    And the Japanese.

    And the Aborigines in Australia.

    Etc. Etc. Etc...


    The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg.
    - Thomas Jefferson



    In justice, too, to our excellent Constitution, it ought to be observed, that it has not placed our religious rights under the power of any public functionary.
    - Thomas Jefferson


    I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church. All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
    I do not mean by this declaration to condemn those who believe otherwise; they have the same right to their belief as I have to mine. But it is necessary to the happiness of man, that he be mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe.
    - Thomas Paine


    Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other sects?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    You mean the pledge of allegiance written by a socialist? Then instituted by other socialist? Nah I won't say it.

    Ah, yes, dear old Francis Bellamy...

    If you're interested in just what sort of guy the original drafter of the Pledge was, do a goggle search on the "Bellamy Salute", the salute the author of the pledge first recommended be used when saying the pledge, and was used in the USA until 1942...
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    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggression—and this is hogwash."
    --Barry Goldwater, 1964

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    Ah, yes, dear old Francis Bellamy...

    If you're interested in just what sort of guy the original drafter of the Pledge was, do a goggle search on the "Bellamy Salute", the salute the author of the pledge first recommended be used when saying the pledge, and was used in the USA until 1942...
    Yep, I read up on that years ago, Socialism/communism was running rampant in Europe and U.S. at the same time. Many things folks take as "patriotic" has it's roots in these very movements. I might need to re brush up on it though.

    Interesting you brought up the native use of Creator the founders borrowed many things from the natives, much of the forming of our congress, senate, and the rules of decorum come straight from my ancestors on the native side. The indigenous women even had votes in certain matters, took our country over a hundred years to allow that though.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    I'm glad Red did'nt have to see these SAD days.

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    Not sure what the purpose is to acknowledge a god you may or may not believe in in order to show your patriotism or love of your country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK View Post
    Not sure what the purpose is to acknowledge a god you may or may not believe in in order to show your patriotism or love of your country.
    I believe that God favored our nation because it had the most just government in all the world and because such a large portion of the population worshiped Him. Since my allegiance is to Him first, I kind of feel the need to mention Him when I pledge my allegiance to our Republic.

    If one does not feel this way, he is free not to mention God and free not to say the Pledge at all.

    I say this because you asked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK View Post
    Not sure what the purpose is to acknowledge a god you may or may not believe in in order to show your patriotism or love of your country.
    I don't see the need to pledge to a flag to show your patriotism or love of your country.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
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    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    I don't see the need to pledge to a flag to show your patriotism or love of your country.
    It beats pledging allegiance to the Emperor, May He Live Forever. You are pledging allegiance to an idea that is represented by the flag. The idea is that a government of, by, and for the people can endure.

    If you prefer, take a pledge to uphold and defend the constitution. The politicians have one they don't take seriously anymore. I'm sure they'd let you use it.

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    I'll never pledge to a flag again. Any oath or pledge I do to a symbol would be to The Constitution. Pledgeing loyalty to the flag is a red herring ment to distract people from what is important. Also, its far too close to pledging loyalty to the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daylen View Post
    I'll never pledge to a flag again. Any oath or pledge I do to a symbol would be to The Constitution. Pledgeing loyalty to the flag is a red herring ment to distract people from what is important. Also, its far too close to pledging loyalty to the government.
    And exactly why a socialist wrote it,
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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