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    Open Carry pizza night invite 12/29/10 Maryland Heights, MO

    To whom it may concern,

    I will be Open Carrying at Serra's Pizzeria for dinner 7pm on 12/29/10. If you would like to join me or just come in to talk OC feel free to come join me.

    Serra's Pizzeria
    (314) 739-0881
    12218 Mckelvey Rd, Maryland Heights, MO 63043
    http://www.serraspizzeria.com/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkIkhVoHW7E

    Doc
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    Quote Originally Posted by sohighlyunlikely View Post
    To whom it may concern,

    I will be Open Carrying at Serra's Pizzeria for dinner on 12/29/10. If you would like to join me or just come in to talk OC feel free to come join me.

    Serra's Pizzeria
    (314) 739-0881
    12218 Mckelvey Rd, Maryland Heights, MO 63043
    http://www.serraspizzeria.com/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkIkhVoHW7E

    Doc
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    I plan on being there!

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    I'll do everything I can to be there. I'm new to MO and CC/OC (fresh from IL) so I hope to gain some valuable information.

    -Jeremy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowe-75 View Post
    I'll do everything I can to be there. I'm new to MO and CC/OC (fresh from IL) so I hope to gain some valuable information.

    -Jeremy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowe-75 View Post
    I'll do everything I can to be there. I'm new to MO and CC/OC (fresh from IL) so I hope to gain some valuable information.

    -Jeremy
    I met you on another forum.... The ride offer is stil good!
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    appreciate the offer mspgunner, sounds like my dad is wanting to go too so I should be covered. He doesn't carry but is starting to think about it since I moved down and carry daily. He is also in the market for a .45... Not sure if he wants a xd45 or a 1911. I've been explaining to him the difference and how the two aren't comparable because they are so different but he has a thick skull . Need to take him to a range that will rent him some different pistols before he makes a decision (which could possibly be at the St Charles gun show on the 31st)

    Edit to add: Thanks for the warm welcome Doc! Happy holidays everyone!

    -Jeremy
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    Pizza Night

    The "best" way to find the right firearm is to go out and try as many as you can. That is 100% Correct.
    When we meet in groups such as this the "What do you carry?" question is common, almost maditory. In St. Louis we meet people and ask "Where did you go to High School?". You'll catch on to this very soon

    Firearms... Lost my train of thought. -> You'll hear/see compacts all the way up to full size 1911s. To each their own, some people may just pack 2 firearms or 1 and clip or two. Again, to each their own, pluses and minuses. There is probably a thread here some where "What do you carry?".

    Be sure to say hello, I'll be the guy with the firearm.
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    what time?

    i get off at 4:00. working near the airport, would probably make it by 4:30 easy. live too far away to get home and come back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Griz View Post
    what time?

    i get off at 4:00. working near the airport, would probably make it by 4:30 easy. live too far away to get home and come back.
    Sorry I forgot to post the time. It is set at 7pm. I hope that isn't to late for you.

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    I'd like to come out, may bring another man or two.

    And Doc, where's the part about seeing if the LEO's will tackle you??

    Also, do you know these owners or just walking in blind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cash50 View Post
    I'd like to come out, may bring another man or two.

    And Doc, where's the part about seeing if the LEO's will tackle you??

    Also, do you know these owners or just walking in blind?
    Bring anyone you like. The Restaurant is open to the public and this is not really an organized event.

    Since I 1st started the Starbucks tour I have done 100's of hours of public OCing. Though a tackling is possible it seems that I and OC have become more recognized and left alone.

    I have Open Carry-ed there with 4 other OCers on 3 other occasions and have had no problems. There is always the chance that I or anyone else could be asked to leave. I picked a small local business to reward with our patronage. I would think it a lesson to them if they were to turn away paying customer after paying customer. I do have a back up location that I do have permission do bring in OC people. Here is my phone number if you should arrive and run into a snag. (314)494-0881 If I am not their feel free to not spend a dime and call me for the new location.

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    Hey Doc, just checked Maryland Heights' website for ordinances. Couldn't find anything, so I take it Maryland Heights OC legal, no CCW required, correct??

    On a side note I called the MHPD to ask them and the guy on the phone said they have no ordinance against it -it's illegal per state law. I say no it's not he says yes it is. I then asked again if they have an ordinace against it, he says no. Tells me that they will definitely get calls if I OC in public and why should I do that when I can conceal it, yada yada don't scare the sheep.

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    OC - Maryland Heights

    As you can see in some of DOCs videos, LEOs don't know and understand the laws, they like to make up the rules as they go along. The State laws are thr State laws.

    Quote Originally Posted by cash50 View Post
    Hey Doc, just checked Maryland Heights' website for ordinances. Couldn't find anything, so I take it Maryland Heights OC legal, no CCW required, correct??

    On a side note I called the MHPD to ask them and the guy on the phone said they have no ordinance against it -it's illegal per state law. I say no it's not he says yes it is. I then asked again if they have an ordinace against it, he says no. Tells me that they will definitely get calls if I OC in public and why should I do that when I can conceal it, yada yada don't scare the sheep.
    If you pull it, you use it. If you pull it and you don't use it, you've done some thing wrong and you might not get another chance. Think about it before you pack it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cash50 View Post
    Hey Doc, just checked Maryland Heights' website for ordinances. Couldn't find anything, so I take it Maryland Heights OC legal, no CCW required, correct??

    On a side note I called the MHPD to ask them and the guy on the phone said they have no ordinance against it -it's illegal per state law. I say no it's not he says yes it is. I then asked again if they have an ordinance against it, he says no. Tells me that they will definitely get calls if I OC in public and why should I do that when I can conceal it, yada yada don't scare the sheep.
    I went to the Maryland Heights website. Went to "City Government" then click on "Municipal code" It will take you to Municode. Put firearm in the search box and read the 5 codes it gives you or if you like read all of Chapter 14. I can find no restrictions to Open Carry in their codes and as Open Carry is legal unless specifically restricted by muni in question. I am not a practicing lawyer but that is all I need. We each have to make a decision to whether the LEO's use fear to persuade you into not using your rights will stop you. I for one, will not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sohighlyunlikely View Post
    I went to the Maryland Heights website. Went to "City Government" then click on "Municipal code" It will take you to Municode. Put firearm in the search box and read the 5 codes it gives you or if you like read all of Chapter 14. I can find no restrictions to Open Carry in their codes and as Open Carry is legal unless specifically restricted by muni in question. I am not a practicing lawyer but that is all I need. We each have to make a decision to whether the LEO's use fear to persuade you into not using your rights will stop you. I for one, will not.

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    DOC has the right idea, it is legal, it is your RIGHT, use 'em or lose'm.
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    I will try to make this dinner night, a little bit of a drive for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mspgunner View Post
    DOC has the right idea, it is legal, it is your RIGHT, use 'em or lose'm.
    Trust me, I know. Just wanted to make sure it was OC legal to the state's definition, as a friend is coming who doesn't have a CCW, which may be required in certain areas to OC.

    I aint skeered to open carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cash50 View Post
    Trust me, I know. Just wanted to make sure it was OC legal to the state's definition, as a friend is coming who doesn't have a CCW, which may be required in certain areas to OC.

    I aint skeered to open carry.

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    Can't make tonight, family comes first. Daughter and Son in law drop in, maybe next time.

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    Dinner went well 22 people attended. I noted at least 15 were Open Carrying. It was a great mix of familiar faces and new people coming to be part of the experience.

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    Was my first OC event, glad I made it, and look forward to seeing you all again. Will have my CCW as soon as I can, so I don't have to worry about those OC only with CCW counties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kellogg2185 View Post
    Was my first OC event, glad I made it, and look forward to seeing you all again. Will have my CCW as soon as I can, so I don't have to worry about those OC only with CCW counties.
    We look forward to seeing you again too. Bring that derringer again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sohighlyunlikely View Post
    OK, I've done extensive inquiries into Wildwood. Don't OC in Wildwood, trust me on this. Iknow folks have OC'd on their bikes.... But you will have a problem with LEOs of engaged.

    I don't know what the particulars are in Chesterfield, but I'm curious since I go there every day. If you have the details I'd like to see 'em. Post or email to mspar15@aol.com

    Today 1/2/10 there is a get together for Ed Martin at Four Hearts on Lindberg. There will be a large number of political types there and Sunset Hills is a OC City. As far as I know this is a free event, maybe? 3:00-7:00PM. It's an opportunity for him to say hi to people who supported him in one way shape form or another. I know the poitics, if interested just show up. I wouldn't necessarily go in jeans and a T-Shirt though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mspgunner View Post
    OK, I've done extensive inquiries into Wildwood. Don't OC in Wildwood, trust me on this. Iknow folks have OC'd on their bikes.... But you will have a problem with LEOs of engaged.

    I don't know what the particulars are in Chesterfield, but I'm curious since I go there every day. If you have the details I'd like to see 'em. Post or email to mspar15@aol.com
    We have had this same discussion 3 times now There is no law against open carry in Wildwood. The only law they have that they could even use is their old hunting law and it is direct conflict with the CCW laws. I know they threaten to arrest OCers when asked if you can OC there. Personally I know they know better and if I am persecuted for expressing my 2nd Amendment rights in Wildwood then I am prepared to punish them by all legal means at my disposal.

    Their law is the same as Chesterfield and unincorporated St Louis County

    (g)It shall be unlawful for any person carrying a firearm or projectile weapon to willfully enter or go upon the premises or property of another, or to fire or discharge any firearm or projectile weapon, while on the premises or property of another without first having obtained the written permission from the owner, lessee or person in charge of such premises or property, and unless the person in charge of such premises or property, and unless such person has the said written permission, on his person. This section shall not apply to a person carrying, firing or discharging any firearm or projectile weapon, while in the immediate presence of the owner, lessee, or person in charge of the property or premises, or to the entry upon the premises for the sole purpose of obtaining the written permission of the owner, lessee or person in charge of the property.

    Doc
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    Wildwood/ Chesterfield

    Yes, they do read about the same. I suppose it is a legal/court type question. "Is City property also private property?", the argument from the City of Wildwood... "All property is owned by some one". I for one will not push the envelope to test the question. As much as it would be interesting to walk into the Wildwood Starbuck's OC I don't think it would fly here in Wildwood. I'd sure like to see this changed. The 2A and not so 2A type things that have come up here in the past are reviewed by the "public safety" committee and there are retired LEOs who's input guide the City. You can guess which way they lean on these.

    Until some one with the desire to test these local laws in court goes the distance it will remain in the gray zone here. Again I applaud your actions and public education in OC!
    If you pull it, you use it. If you pull it and you don't use it, you've done some thing wrong and you might not get another chance. Think about it before you pack it!
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