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    Illegally Detained 12/21/10 - Fairfax County Police/Mason District

    I was illegally detained this morning by 3 Fairfax County Police officers for open carrying. I have a voice recording of most of the encounter. All 3 officers are from the George Mason District. After being released I went and talked to their supervisor.

    For obvious reasons I will not be posting any more details at this time. I will update after I get all the info I will be requesting through the FOIA request and finalize my formal complaint.

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    Law Enforcement Officers in The Old Dominion SHOULD Know Better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GULCer View Post
    I was illegally detained this morning by 3 Fairfax County Police officers for open carrying. I have a voice recording of most of the encounter. All 3 officers are from the George Mason District. After being released I went and talked to their supervisor.

    For obvious reasons I will not be posting any more details at this time. I will update after I get all the info I will be requesting through the FOIA request and finalize my formal complaint.
    Since you have the recording and since you have announced publicly that you have the recording, it will become public record in any proceeding that either they or you bring. You might as well post it.

    IANAL

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    As my username suggests, I am pretty sure I know the law regarding these issues. I will not be releasing stuff bit by bit. Everything will be done at once as stated in the OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GULCer View Post
    As my username suggests, I am pretty sure I know the law regarding these issues. .
    Well, for those of us in the dark, can you tell us what GULCer means?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GULCer View Post
    As my username suggests, I am pretty sure I know the law regarding these issues. I will not be releasing stuff bit by bit. Everything will be done at once as stated in the OP.
    What does your username suggest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post
    Well, for those of us in the dark, can you tell us what GULCer means?
    I'm in my last semester at Georgetown University Law Center. GULC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GULCer View Post
    As my username suggests, I am pretty sure I know the law regarding these issues. I will not be releasing stuff bit by bit. Everything will be done at once as stated in the OP.
    You are already releasing stuff bit-by-bit. Your first post is a release of information.

    Whatever. Moving on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GULCer View Post
    I'm in my last semester at Georgetown University Law Center. GULC.
    Silly me!
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    Me too

    Quote Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post
    Silly me!
    Unfortunately my own decoder ring doesn't have a "Georgetown Law" setting either.

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    This is most disturbing. If this is the precinct I suspect it is, that is where VCDL meetings are held (anyone please feel free to correct me if I am in error on this). At these meetings, there can be well over 50 armed citizens present.

    I anxiously await hearing more about this encounter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    This is most disturbing. If this is the precinct I suspect it is, that is where VCDL meetings are held (anyone please feel free to correct me if I am in error on this). At these meetings, there can be well over 50 armed citizens present.

    I anxiously await hearing more about this encounter.
    It is the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post
    Well, for those of us in the dark, can you tell us what GULCer means?
    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    What does your username suggest?
    Thanks guys. I was just about to ask...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrMark View Post
    Thanks guys. I was just about to ask...
    I'm surprised that you didn't know, I mean, its soooooooo obvious!
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    Postcard Sent!

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    This is disappointing. I've had great experiences with FCPD and I know that they know better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hunter45 View Post
    This is disappointing. I've had great experiences with FCPD
    It'd be disappointing if true ...

    However since the OP is unwilling to share any particulars whatsoever ...

    Quote Originally Posted by GULCer View Post
    "... For obvious reasons I will not be posting any more details at this time. I will update after I get all the info I will be requesting through the FOIA request and finalize my formal complaint ... "
    ... I'm guessing we can ignore this one at least until late-Winter.

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    Geese Ed. Why are you sending postcards on unverified complaints? Why not wait until you know enough about the incident to be indignant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Geese Ed. Why are you sending postcards on unverified complaints? Why not wait until you know enough about the incident to be indignant?
    1. Ed sent a post card with more details than the OP posted.
    2. There have been no deleted posts from this thread.
    3. The OP has not edited any of his posts in this thread.

    Conclusion #1: Ed has some additional information that came from somewhere other than this thread.

    Conclusion #2: Ed is making stuff up.

    I doubt it's #2.

    TFred

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    1. Ed sent a post card with more details than the OP posted.
    2. There have been no deleted posts from this thread.
    3. The OP has not edited any of his posts in this thread.

    Conclusion #1: Ed has some additional information that came from somewhere other than this thread.

    Conclusion #2: Ed is making stuff up.

    I doubt it's #2.

    TFred
    You're right TFred!
    I didn't read the full card. Looks like this is a PM thread. Looking forward to hearing the facts.

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    I wondered where the additional info came from. However, if it is accurate, I have to wonder why the OP thought it inadvisable to tell us even that he was OCing and that he was asked for permit and license.

    I just don't see the point in the post if what he posted was all he deigned to tell us. It is not like he is going to gin up more than an ounce of indignation for his plight.

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    (I'm going to assume that GULCer is telling the truth, and knows what he is talking about. I have no reason to doubt him.)

    Go get 'em, GULCer!!

    Document/record everything. Be especially ready for heavy fog against the FOIA request.

    Screwing with a law-student OCer, of all things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    I wondered where the additional info came from. However, if it is accurate, I have to wonder why the OP thought it inadvisable to tell us even that he was OCing and that he was asked for permit and license.

    I just don't see the point in the post if what he posted was all he deigned to tell us. It is not like he is going to gin up more than an ounce of indignation for his plight.
    Eye, lets face it. You were real curious, and got rebuffed. And, now ya got hurt feelings about it.

    1. Your "moving on" comment a few posts earlier says it all.

    2. Now you're back, having not actually moved on.

    Give it a rest, please. He doesn't want to talk about it. Keeping details hidden makes it harder for the cops to figure out a cover story, and to coordinate their stories. Their only option is to roll with the truth.

    Personally, I would not have posted about the incident, nor that it was recorded. No warning for the fuzz until the FOIA lands. Less time to coordinate stories on their side, less time to figure out how to dodge. Especially if they don't know there is a recording. And, no way to research the poster or his posts.*

    But, he wanted to mention a little bit about it. So, let it go at what he's told us. Everything he says can and will be used against him, as the saying goes. The cops are pretty saavy and can figure out how to use pretty much every dribble of information in one way or another. Every bit of info denied to them is something they cannot use to evade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed View Post
    Oh brother
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