palerider116
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A lot of folks, even some here, don't like reality. It is still real.
+1 as always
A lot of folks, even some here, don't like reality. It is still real.
The military does not exist to be politically correct. It is not a labratory for grand social experiments, nor is being in the military a civil right. The military's purpose is simple, WIN WARS. The ultimate job of the individual soldier is to kill the enemy. For that to happen clarity of mind and purpose is essential to morale. Speaking as a Marine I can honestly say that what someone does in private is their business. However if you parade a behavior many find immoral and in direct contradiction to the beliefs of most young fighting men you will become a target. Face facts, the job of keeping this country safe is done by young men who are often aggressive and "uber-male". For example,women are just as capable in combat as men. No doubt about it. However men are hardwired to protect women,and will linger over wounded females who cannot be saved, often to the detriment of the mission. The men are the problem, not the women, that's true. But the problem remains, so in the interest of winning the battles, women are often kept out of firefights whenever possible. Whether the problem is gays, or homophobes is irrelevant. The problem remains and this will make it worse.This will serve only to weaken our military. Which I suspect is what this is all about anyway.
No, this will not "make it worses." With a scratch of a pen, an entire class of previously oppressed persons will feel that their country's military finally accepts them as equals.But the problem remains, so in the interest of winning the battles, women are often kept out of firefights whenever possible. Whether the problem is gays, or homophobes is irrelevant. The problem remains and this will make it worse.This will serve only to weaken our military. Which I suspect is what this is all about anyway.
The military does not exist to be politically correct. It is not a labratory for grand social experiments, nor is being in the military a civil right. The military's purpose is simple, WIN WARS. The ultimate job of the individual soldier is to kill the enemy. For that to happen clarity of mind and purpose is essential to morale. Speaking as a Marine I can honestly say that what someone does in private is their business. However if you parade a behavior many find immoral and in direct contradiction to the beliefs of most young fighting men you will become a target. Face facts, the job of keeping this country safe is done by young men who are often aggressive and "uber-male". For example,women are just as capable in combat as men. No doubt about it. However men are hardwired to protect women,and will linger over wounded females who cannot be saved, often to the detriment of the mission. The men are the problem, not the women, that's true. But the problem remains, so in the interest of winning the battles, women are often kept out of firefights whenever possible. Whether the problem is gays, or homophobes is irrelevant. The problem remains and this will make it worse.This will serve only to weaken our military. Which I suspect is what this is all about anyway.
I am waiting to see how they manage housing, showers etc because of this. They very reason they dont bunk males and females is supposed to be that it would be a distraction and could cause problems with sex etc. When I was in the dorms for the Air Force they had a 1 person to a room with a shared shower bath that could be locked from the inside when using it etc so that would not be a problem but in communal showers there could be issues. Just do like starship troopers and have everyone bunk shower etc in the same area and tell them they are adults and behave like such. I am 99% sure there will be a lawsuit of some type about someone who is homosexual in a shower and somebody who is straight saying they stared at my junk and demanding equal protection for their sexual preference and feeling violated. I don't think this is done by a longshot yet.
I have served with gays, had a gay roommate who was in my wedding party etc and have no problem with them serving just like everyone else but logistically this is going to be a nightmare. Or it could be really easy. Say 20 people deploy 10 men 10 women various sexuality. Instead of having 2 tents that hold 20 people each for males and females just have one that they all stay in.
It comes down to privacy and the military is far from allowing anything to be private.
Agreed 100% I have several friends who served and I would served with them again because it was not throw in the faces of others soldiers like so many gays do in public. They flaunt it like their something special and make it very well know.
What is "flaunting" it? Having a boyfriend if you're a guy, that you kiss and hold hands with on leave? That you post pictures of in your bunk? That you writer letters to or invite to military dinners? Is that "flaunting" it?
Agreed 100% I have several friends who served and I would served with them again because it was not throw in the faces of others soldiers like so many gays do in public. They flaunt it like their something special and make it very well know. It’s one thing when everybody’s in uniform, you’re at work … if this guy’s gay, no big deal, But when he/she walks in with his boyfriend/girlfriend in civilian clothes to the restaurant that you’re having your [unit function] dining-in at, that’s a very different thing.
They are obvious to anyone who has serviced in the military, living in a barracks or serving in a forward area where living conditions with other soldiers are very close and intimate. Military barracks can have two or more soldiers quartered in the same small room, or more people quartered per tent/hut/hooch/open bay.
There is little physical privacy, especially in deployed forward areas. “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” policy of deliberately ignoring military regulations which clearly state homosexual behavior is incompatible with military service, the policy on homosexuality was very simple: it isn’t allowed.
Anything that hinders, gets in the way of or reduces the military’s effectiveness in killing bad guys and destroying their war-making capability is excess baggage, and the military rightfully does everything it can to minimize excess baggage.
Our military doesn’t exist to make people feel good–certainly not people who make a choice to engage in immoral and unhealthy sexual practices. If people want to do that, they can stay at home in the civilian world. America needs her military to be as sharp and ready to strike as possible. We cannot afford to be distracted by such social engineering and accommodation of counterproductive behaviors.
It in fact protected gays, It required commanders to have more UCMJ violations other than the person being "gay" from being kicked out of the military. Now that protection is gone.Under "Don't ask, don't tell" it never was illegal to be gay in the military. That is a myth. Certain behaviors were illegal.
What is so ostentatious? Are you a Christian? Do you ever wear a cross, or shirts that proclaim your belief, or carry a bible, etc? Isn't that "displaying [your] lifestyle ostentatiously"?Simple gays in the civilian side act by displaying their lifestyle in ostentatiously manor that they are here and that they are different from everyone else.
Lifestyle, interesting choice of words. Did you choose to be straight? Do you consider being straight your "lifestyle"? If not, why do you presume to tell gay people that it's a lifestyle choice?Which is simply not needed, they do not have to shove it in the faces of so many people whom may or may not disagree with their lifestyle.
Could you provide examples of those who act in such a way? Would you consider it distracting for a gay man and his husband to show up in matching black and white tuxes? What if they danced together, held hands, kissed? At what point does it offend you?When I am taking my wife to military functions I am not dressing in a un-civilized manor nor am I am acting in such a way that makes my lifestyle an unwelcome distraction to the unit. My wife does not dress up like a whore or a in a slutty outfit to tell others that I am straight. I am not showing up in reviling cloths or brightly colored shits with words on them to bring attention to my lifestyle.
Why is it so damn hard for you to accept that others are gay?The many gay services members who I am proud to have served with DID NOT ostentatiously force their lifestyle to be accepted by others.
And if that's how they are, and they're not acting out, but simply being who they are?My friends did not dress up in wild outfits nor did they ever to act in a femaleness way as in voice and or personality to try to show themselves as any different from the rest of us.
Bull.Shiat.The only reason gays act out like this in public is because they want to be noticed as not just another guy/girl. They are trying to make their lifestyle seem more normalized and all their doing is making those who all ready disagree with it disagree with it even more.
Define your terms. What is "acting normal"? What is being done that isn't based on stereotypes?Many whom disagree with the openly gay lifestyle because they see it as being forced to having their lifestyle shoved in their face verses just acting normal in public and not bringing undue attention to themselves.
In four years of active duty in the late '80s, I never saw a case of homosexuality (whether suspected or confirmed) that disrupted a unit.
Now, when it comes to heterosexual behavior, that was a problem. You think cohesion, morale, and respect weren't affected when the squadron XO gave his wife VD, which he happened to have acquired from the wife of one of the troop commanders? And she got it from one of her husband's subordinates, or maybe the other way around... it was hard to keep track, since she was screwing everyone except her husband.
Under DADT, a soldier couldn't admit to being gay, even if he wasn't engaging in any prohibited activity. Funny thing though: sodomy is a gender-neutral violation of the UCMJ. I have never heard of a case, and I doubt one exists from the last 40 years, of a heterosexual soldier being prosecuted for openly bragging about getting a blowjob.