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    Was told to " Relinquish my firearm " by Boyd Co. deputy Jason Nattier

    Okay I'm at work at a local Liquor store and in walks two Boyd County Sheriff Deputies so as I approached them and asked what this was concerning Nattier replied " O we think you know". A couple of hours earlier a ex at the time had came threw the drive-threw a little angry and had some words with a co worker and left. So Nattier asks do I have a ccdw? I said yes. He then asks "where is it? I replied by pointing towards my belt. They then asked me to " step outside " Although I thought twice about that request I did step outside with a co worker and the deputies. As soon as we were in front of the store Dep. Nattier looks right at me and demands I " Relinquish my firearm " I look right at him and said No I will Not. He kept making that demand 3 to 4 times till I finally told him that I knew the Law and my rights and that I didn't have to " Relinquish my firearm " Because I was not under arrest, nor in the act of committing a crime, nor preserved to be committing a crime of any kind. I swear he looks at me like he is about to tackle me and said " I don't care what the... " and stops. I said go ahead and say it. I know he was going to finish it with " what the Law is" but caught himself. His partner did not say one word the entire time this was going on. Well we continued to talk about what had correspond earlier that night. As I was walking back in the store the Dep. Nattier still was saying He didn't care if a law officer asks you to " Relinquish your firearm " you do it no matter what".

    Just thought I'd share that story to just get it off my chest. I was really thinking about going to the Sheriffs office and sitting down with Dep. Nattier and his Sheriff just to see what they had to say.
    I fill I was in the right and that Dep. Nattier needs to learn to enforce the law not bend it to his liking.
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    Allow me to offer my suggestions.

    File a complaint with the department about the deputy's actions (I might include the 2nd deputy's inaction as well).

    Then after you file your complaint, write up your story in a letter (snail mail kind) and send it to the sheriff, registered mail. Include that you'd be willing to sit down and talk with him in person if he so chooses.

    Now, my critique of your encounter.

    Well done. Remaining calm and asserting your rights is always a win. Remember, that if the deputy had attempted to disarm you, to not resist, but assert that you do not consent to the seizure of your property. We don't want to hear of you going to jail for resisting.

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    wow, compelling story......grabby little so-and-so's out there in your neck of the woods aint they. my policy is; never give a cop your gun, unless your trading up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    wow, compelling story......grabby little so-and-so's out there in your neck of the woods aint they. my policy is; never give a cop your gun, unless your trading up.
    +1
    Yeah, and if you're trading up, always make sure you have his first before giving him yours. You know they are allowed to lie. He may tell you that he will swap evenly with you, but he may just want your firearm and keep his too. That ain't no fair way to trade. Now is it?

    If you do decide to talk with the sheriff and the deputy, "Don't take your guns to town son, leave your guns at home Bill,
    don't take your guns to town." (song) http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/johnn...unstotown.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by CenTex View Post
    +1
    Yeah, and if you're trading up, always make sure you have his first before giving him yours. You know they are allowed to lie. He may tell you that he will swap evenly with you, but he may just want your firearm and keep his too. That ain't no fair way to trade. Now is it?

    If you do decide to talk with the sheriff and the deputy, "Don't take your guns to town son, leave your guns at home Bill,
    don't take your guns to town." (song) http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/johnn...unstotown.html
    plus 1 from me on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WCrawford View Post
    Allow me to offer my suggestions.

    File a complaint with the department about the deputy's actions (I might include the 2nd deputy's inaction as well).

    Then after you file your complaint, write up your story in a letter (snail mail kind) and send it to the sheriff, registered mail. Include that you'd be willing to sit down and talk with him in person if he so chooses.

    Now, my critique of your encounter.

    Well done. Remaining calm and asserting your rights is always a win. Remember, that if the deputy had attempted to disarm you, to not resist, but assert that you do not consent to the seizure of your property. We don't want to hear of you going to jail for resisting.
    Agree with all points + file an FOIA request - really very simple to do.
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    Cant believe this

    I went to high school with jason and he was a good kid. Now that he has a badge he thinks he is better than everyone. I have a family member who is a supervisor for the sher. dept. , and i am most certainly going to bring this to his attention. It is a shame when law enforcement tries enforcing their own laws. I would take this to as high as level as possible and get him fired. Their are some deputies at the dept. that think they can get by with nething they want. we need to stop this injustice, they are there to enforce the laws, nothing else.

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    ??

    also, what was the sherr. dept. doing in a liquor store in ashland? They do not have jurisdiction to come to a call in the city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KYGlockster View Post
    also, what was the sherr. dept. doing in a liquor store in ashland? They do not have jurisdiction to come to a call in the city.
    Maybe you know something that the rest of us do not know.

    I don't see where the OP said in what jurisdiction this occurred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    You did just fine. I agree with everything that has been said here except the part about not carrying a gun to talk with the Sheriff. I think you should OC. Why not? The only reason not to is, the LEO's best friend, intimidation. I doubt he'll talk to you. One humiliation at the hands of a lowly citizen is enough for most bullies.
    Some places it is illegal to carry a gun into a LE station. If it isn't there, then it becomes a matter of choice. Some sheriffs might not take to it kindly, especially if you are bringing a complaint against one of their officers. They may take it like..."in your face." Personally, I would dress nice, unarmed, and be professional. You do what ever tickles your fancy. It's your call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WCrawford View Post
    snip...
    File a complaint with the department about the deputy's actions (I might include the 2nd deputy's inaction as well).
    The 2nd deputy may have addressed the issue with the first one, or he may have brought the matter to a supervisor. I wouldn't be quick to burn the second one.

    The first one is clearly across the line. The second one may have addressed the problem in a discreet manner. In a situation like that, as the second deputy, he could have tried to terminate the encounter or get it wrapped up quicker to pull the first one aside to correct him.

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    +1 to what Gutshot says.

    I would think the jurisdiction of the deputy would be anywhere in the county including the cities that reside within. If all citizens of the county pay county taxes, it's only fair that they receive county protection. So much for county protection in this case...

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    Seems like you handled it very well, but I'm a little confused.

    You were carrying in a liquor store. It was my understanding that one is not allowed to carry a weapon in place that gets more than 50% of its revenue. Does this only apply to places that serve liquor such as a bar, as opposed to just selling it like at a liquor store?

    Forgive my ignorance, but I'd like to know if I've been avoiding liquor stores for no reason.

    If you were within the law (which seems to be the case, given that nobody else has questioned the liquor store thing), then you did the right thing by keeping a cool head and complying to their wishes without compromising or relinquishing your rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by langzaiguy View Post
    +1 to what Gutshot says.

    I would think the jurisdiction of the deputy would be anywhere in the county including the cities that reside within. If all citizens of the county pay county taxes, it's only fair that they receive county protection. So much for county protection in this case...
    Can only speak for Ga. but imagine it's the same everywhere, the Sheriff is the only constitutionally elected LEO in the county, he and his lawful Deputies have not only countywide but with a warrant(including misd) statewide powers even to the point of usurping a scene from the city/county or state police. As for the liquor store, it was his place of buss, so with the owners permission he would be o-k to carry even without a permit (in Ga at least, where home car and place of buss are allowed) it's not the same as being a customer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    That only applies to places that sell liquor for on site consumption and then only applies to loaded weapons. The 50% thing only applies to concealed carry.
    Interesting. So I could carry an unloaded weapon to a bar if I wanted to? Not saying I would, just curious.

    OP, you reacted perfectly fine. Were I in your shoes, it could have gone worse because I was unclear on the specifics of the law. More power to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    wow, compelling story......grabby little so-and-so's out there in your neck of the woods aint they. my policy is; never give a cop your gun, unless your trading up.
    Personally, I've encountered very few LEO's that carry a weapon that I'd want to trade with! Sadly, it seems that LEO have fallen into the same trap that those wishing to look popular, have. No, I will not name the weapon brand, it should be obvious. You couldn't give me 10 of theirs for 1 of mine, granted this is a personal observation. *LOL*
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    Quote Originally Posted by KYGlockster View Post
    also, what was the sherr. dept. doing in a liquor store in ashland? They do not have jurisdiction to come to a call in the city.
    If all of this is true, it sounds like a vendetta call and not an official call. These things shouldn't happen but they do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribunal Power View Post
    Seems like you handled it very well, but I'm a little confused.

    You were carrying in a liquor store. It was my understanding that one is not allowed to carry a weapon in place that gets more than 50% of its revenue. Does this only apply to places that serve liquor such as a bar, as opposed to just selling it like at a liquor store?

    Forgive my ignorance, but I'd like to know if I've been avoiding liquor stores for no reason.

    If you were within the law (which seems to be the case, given that nobody else has questioned the liquor store thing), then you did the right thing by keeping a cool head and complying to their wishes without compromising or relinquishing your rights.
    This is something that I really hadn't thought about directly. I always thought that it was only pertaining to places that derive 50% of their sells from open beverages. I could be wrong. I don't frink and therefore I never go around those places, save places such as Applebee's or Chili's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neuroblades View Post
    This is something that I really hadn't thought about directly. I always thought that it was only pertaining to places that derive 50% of their sells from open beverages. I could be wrong. I don't frink and therefore I never go around those places, save places such as Applebee's or Chili's.
    I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.

    IMHO, occasionally we all frink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by palerider116 View Post
    The 2nd deputy may have addressed the issue with the first one, or he may have brought the matter to a supervisor. I wouldn't be quick to burn the second one.

    The first one is clearly across the line. The second one may have addressed the problem in a discreet manner. In a situation like that, as the second deputy, he could have tried to terminate the encounter or get it wrapped up quicker to pull the first one aside to correct him.

    Sometimes your backup can make you want to
    Obviously why I stated that I might include the inaction of the 2nd deputy. I wasn't there so I can not determine if the 2nd deputy did do the right thing or if he just stood silent. The later could make him an accomplice in a federal civil rights violation. Emphasis on could.

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    I did wonder the same thing, why was the Sheriff Dept. Out on this call? Well here's my 2 cents. One of the women I work with brother is a City police officer for Ashland. And the person that made the call knew this. I just about bet it was requested that non city officer responded.

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    Jurisdiction?

    The only liquor stores in boyd co. are in the city limits of ashland. The city of ashland has their own police dept. and county can not answer calls within the limits. What i gather is this dispute that occured earlier in the day between his ex happend out of the city limits, that would be the only reason for the county to be there. I have family in both depts. and neither one of them would do this, i agree with his actions and they should be dealt with. I seriously doubt talkiing to the sherriff of Boyd will get him newhere. This would have to be dealt with through a grievance, or with the inspector generals office of KY. You most certainly can carry in a sherriffs office in KY as long as you open carry. You can also carry in the liquor store in KY as well. You most certainly do not have to relinquish your firearm to them, nor do you need to give them your I.D. Only if your being detained for a crime must you do those things. He very politely could have just walked back in the store and in the great state of KY, there is nothing the deputy could have dont.

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    CaRRY IN BAR

    In KY, one of the very few places you cant open carry is a bar, where alcohol is sold by the drink. A liquor store, and a bonified rest. you can carry fully loaded. And most every where else in KY

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    The call came after the ex came threw the drivethrew and was home in the county... I just asked her. So I guess sence she lives in the county they dispatched the Deputies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    Maybe she called the Sheriff's office directly. Maybe she called Deputy Nattier directly. An open records request would answer all the questions.
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