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    "Statement to make?" WTF?

    Glad the officer didn't escalate it further than that since there was no crime being committed.
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    "Statement to make?" WTF?

    Glad the officer didn't escalate it further than that since there was no crime being committed.
    You have got to rememeber this is CA. Only UOC is legal because of legis. hystereia of the Black Panthers legal protest decades ago.

    CA leads the nations in Cannibas Reform. But is very restrictive 2A state.

    I am 1/2 liberal. I am 1/2 conservative. That makes me a full blooded liberatirian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    "Statement to make?" WTF?

    Glad the officer didn't escalate it further than that since there was no crime being committed.
    The offiicer did his job, dictated by his superiors, yet committed no civil rights violations. I would suspect this officer is also an OathKeeper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BROKENSPROKET View Post
    You have got to rememeber this is CA. Only UOC is legal because of legis. hystereia of the Black Panthers legal protest decades ago.

    CA leads the nations in Cannibas Reform. But is very restrictive 2A state.

    I am 1/2 liberal. I am 1/2 conservative. That makes me a full blooded liberatirian.
    I know CA is UOC. My issue is the officer seemed somewhat "hyped up" until he found out the guy was a marine and was on camera. And of course the typical, "I need to find out who you are" just to make sure you aren't a felon line.
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    I know CA is UOC. My issue is the officer seemed somewhat "hyped up" until he found out the guy was a marine and was on camera. And of course the typical, "I need to find out who you are" just to make sure you aren't a felon line.
    I understand your point. But, let us be thankful that this officer was the first on scene(or he was chosen by his comrades). IDK.

    The officer knew he was on camera from the very start.

    There was something about the person, that we could not see, that gave the officer the impression he was a Marine, that prompted him to ask the question. If he looked like J.G. the outcome could have been hypothetically much worse. NO OFFENSE. I love the man.

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    I agree the stop was decent and it wasn't escalated. The officer knew he couldn't overstep his authority and start making demands.
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

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    wow, after dancing with madison pd, this was refreshing to see, and brought hope to me. perhapse we should start handing out certificates of appreciation to the police officers who respect the rights of the citizen, as surely as the ones who diesrespect citizens should be reported, and punished.

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    doesn't this belong in the ca forum and not the wi ?

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    I am with McX on this one.

    I wish I had been treated with that much respect during my encounter with Cudahy.
    Just something about being handcuffed for awhile for no reason makes ya wonder if your in the right or not.

    That stop lasted all of what...3 minutes ??? max...

    I spent 30 mins cuffed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LR Yote 312 View Post
    I am with McX on this one.

    I wish I had been treated with that much respect during my encounter with Cudahy.
    Just something about being handcuffed for awhile for no reason makes ya wonder if your in the right or not.

    That stop lasted all of what...3 minutes ??? max...

    I spent 30 mins cuffed.

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    I think the camera had something to do with it. I'm sure other factors aswell but that even left something to be desired even though it wasn't bad he should have been left alone in the first place. I don't want cops pulling me over just to check my car for insurance. Same with checking guns for ammo, why was he stopped ? because he had a gun, thats no reason at all.

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    I must say, this was a very interesting video to watch. Not knowing the specific laws in CA I can't speak as certainly as I would had it happened in WI, but having some law enforcement background I can say a few things. As much as it might be an inconvenience to be stopped while armed the cop is just doing his job. Someone calls in a report of a man with a gun, it is now that cop's job to investigate it and he can't be criticized for that. The issue of a cop asking for your ID to verify that you aren't a felon... I don't know, on that issue I'm a bit torn. I suppose its similar in my mind to a cop stoping a kid who may or may not be 21 and he has a can of beer. How is he supposed to determine if that kid is committing a crime or not without ID? Granted its not exactly the same, but in my mind they are similar. That being said, it is also true that someone who hasn't done anything wrong isn't required to provide ID. I guess I can see both sides of the issue. Either way, if you're not a felon and have nothing to hide, do you really have anything to loose by showing your ID? Just a idle question. In any event, this cop was very professional. He was firm, yet courteous. It may have been that he knew he was on camera or not, who knows, but he was there to do a job and did it without violating any of the individuals rights. In a perfect world all these kind of incidents would go so smoothly right?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BROKENSPROKET View Post
    Outstanding!!! I though the Office was all right.. that an the Fact that He was Being Recorded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keepyourreceipt View Post
    I must say, this was a very interesting video to watch. Not knowing the specific laws in CA I can't speak as certainly as I would had it happened in WI, but having some law enforcement background I can say a few things. As much as it might be an inconvenience to be stopped while armed the cop is just doing his job. Someone calls in a report of a man with a gun, it is now that cop's job to investigate it and he can't be criticized for that. The issue of a cop asking for your ID to verify that you aren't a felon... I don't know, on that issue I'm a bit torn. I suppose its similar in my mind to a cop stoping a kid who may or may not be 21 and he has a can of beer. How is he supposed to determine if that kid is committing a crime or not without ID? Granted its not exactly the same, but in my mind they are similar. That being said, it is also true that someone who hasn't done anything wrong isn't required to provide ID. I guess I can see both sides of the issue. Either way, if you're not a felon and have nothing to hide, do you really have anything to loose by showing your ID? Just a idle question. In any event, this cop was very professional. He was firm, yet courteous. It may have been that he knew he was on camera or not, who knows, but he was there to do a job and did it without violating any of the individuals rights. In a perfect world all these kind of incidents would go so smoothly right?...
    in madison i provided i.d. and cooperated. and as a reward i got a letter thanking me for my cooperation, and enclosed a disorderly conduct ticket. claiming the totality of circumstances, what a bunch of leftist yuppie crap. your damned if you do, your damned if you dont, but either way, they WILL damn you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    in madison i provided i.d. and cooperated. and as a reward i got a letter thanking me for my cooperation, and enclosed a disorderly conduct ticket. claiming the totality of circumstances, what a bunch of leftist yuppie crap. your damned if you do, your damned if you dont, but either way, they WILL damn you.
    Wow, you're one of the madison 5? I had no idea, but its a pleasure to know you! I think we can all agree that that situation was handled badly, and Chief Wray's issuing of those DC tickets were bogus. Not all cops are good and just like they told us in the academy, it only takes one bad cop to make them all look bad.

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    Unless arrested, never give ID to a LEO. Never consent to a search of body or processions.

    why?
    Ask Theses.

    He was on private property, w/o knowledge of a school zone, and Unloaded open carrying. He was questioned by LEO's and released. Weeks later, he was arrested and then charged and convicted of having a gun inside a gun free zone. The judge would not let him put on a honest defense.

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    I wouldn't call it "by the book" - but the book in CA doesn't really matter as the book provides authority for a 4a violation.

    Overall I'd call it a middle of the road contact - better then some, worse then others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    hasnt this video been posted like 5 times in here ?
    Yup. Here: http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...out-of-control

    and here: http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...deo-from-TODAY

    But to be fair, this originated in the Wisconsin forum and was moved here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    hasnt this video been posted like 5 times in here ?
    I posted it in the Wisconsin forum, and someone bitched, so it got moved here. Sorry.

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    i find it interesting how, in the video, the remark was made about making a statement, i overheard the same thing in Madison, on that fateful day; the same comment between 2 cops i overheard. i guess they figured we were all a bunch of sandal, and robe clad hippies protesting the war in vietnam. the only statement i was making was my right and ability to protect myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keepyourreceipt View Post
    Wow, you're one of the madison 5? I had no idea, but its a pleasure to know you! I think we can all agree that that situation was handled badly, and Chief Wray's issuing of those DC tickets were bogus. Not all cops are good and just like they told us in the academy, it only takes one bad cop to make them all look bad.
    do not honor me; the honor is to know all of you, to see the sacrifices you all do on a daily basis, the evil-eyes you endure, the criticism you face, your dicipline to the laws, and your knowledge of them. i hold in honor those who have done so much before me: Hubert, Nik, Auric, and Frank- these guys are the true legends, for me the honor is to serve, and to be present, and part of the making of history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iopencarry View Post
    Unless arrested, never give ID to a LEO. Never consent to a search of body or processions.

    why?
    Ask Theses.

    He was on private property, w/o knowledge of a school zone, and Unloaded open carrying. He was questioned by LEO's and released. Weeks later, he was arrested and then charged and convicted of having a gun inside a gun free zone. The judge would not let him put on a honest defense.
    Theseus did not GIVE his ID to the LEO. Theseus did not CONSENT to a search.

    The LEO illegally searched him, illegally took his wallet, and illegally took his ID out of his wallet. They then let him go as he had done nothing illegal, he was on private property and private property is exempt from PC 626.9.

    The officer, or the DA, later researched the laws, and did the measurements from the school property, and issued a warrant for his arrest. If the illegal siezure of his ID had never taken place, he would have never received the summons. The judge then took case law specific to PC 12031 and blatently misapplied it to PC 626.9 and railroaded Theseus.

    If you are going to UOC in CA, do sterile UOC. Do not give the officer the chance to come back later after thinking up something to charge you with.
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