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    Quard/Graphics Violence-Free Workplace

    The Company also prohibits the possession, use, or threat of use, of any object that could be considered a
    dangerous weapon (including but not limited to all firearms and ammunition) on Company premises including in
    Company or personal vehicles, unless such possession or use is an approved requirement of the Company job or
    permitted by applicable law.

    OK People, I need a Little Help here, with the Correct Meaning of Applicable Law...

    If an imminent physical threat or danger exists, take immediate action to protect yourself and others from harm
    where you can do so safely. This may include, depending on the circumstances, notifying Company security or first
    responders, notifying reception and requesting assistance, moving to a secure location or calling 911.

    Now here's a Good Question, How can I protect my Self If I have too Park my Car across the street when I Carry at the West Allis Plant?
    AN when I know I have to work at our Peewaukee Plant. I can't Carry at all because there is no street parking any where.

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    Quote Originally Posted by range rat View Post
    unless such possession or use is an approved requirement of the Company job or
    permitted by applicable law.
    My employer used to have a blanket policy against firearms in personal vehicles. They've since changed that to allow firearms in vehicles now. It's not perfect, but it's a start.

    If I remember, by law we are allowed to have firearms in our vehicles ( albet cased and unloaded), If you have displayed your employers rules correctly, it looks like you are OK to have a weapon in your vehicle. This because it's allowed under the law.

    Talk to your supervisor. It's something I clarified with mine.

    JJC

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    I wonder if they could be held liable to anything if they deny you a 'legal right to protect yourself' and something were to happen as a direct result of that? ie someone ELSE brings a gun and starts shooting, obviously in violation of company policy..

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJC View Post
    My employer used to have a blanket policy against firearms in personal vehicles. They've since changed that to allow firearms in vehicles now. It's not perfect, but it's a start.

    If I remember, by law we are allowed to have firearms in our vehicles ( albet cased and unloaded), If you have displayed your employers rules correctly, it looks like you are OK to have a weapon in your vehicle. This because it's allowed under the law.

    Talk to your supervisor. It's something I clarified with mine.

    JJC
    I was unaware of this. Do you have a cite? I know IN passed a law that allowed anyone to keep firearms in their locked vehicles this year. I think under WI law they are "allowed" to infringe upon our ability to protect ourselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by range rat View Post
    The Company also prohibits the possession, use, or threat of use, of any object that could be considered a
    dangerous weapon
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    I love these kind of rules, no one ever considers a letter opener, a pen, a scissors a dangerous weapon. It wasn't that long ago that airplains were hijacked with nothing but box cutters. Companys that create gun free victim zones will never understand.
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    My employer bans guns on the premises, but the ATM guy carries, as well as cops who come in for safety fairs. The ban does not exempt anybody such as private security or police. Since they have decided to selectively enforce the policy by allowing ATM security and cops to carry, then they have no business telling me I can't carry, unless they change the wording on the ban. Is this a battle worth fighting? Sadly, no, I don't want to stake my job on it in this economy.

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    i have found from experience companies dont want you to carry on their property mostly because they are lying cheating scum, or a drug nest, and dont want you to be able to defend yourself against them.

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    The answer is easy DON'T ASK DON'T TELL
    I had to change my signature because you know who got upset about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithman View Post
    My employer bans guns on the premises, but the ATM guy carries, as well as cops who come in for safety fairs. The ban does not exempt anybody such as private security or police. Since they have decided to selectively enforce the policy by allowing ATM security and cops to carry, then they have no business telling me I can't carry, unless they change the wording on the ban. Is this a battle worth fighting? Sadly, no, I don't want to stake my job on it in this economy.
    The question is: HOW BAD DO YOU WANT/NEED THIS JOB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    i have found from experience companies dont want you to carry on their property mostly because they are lying cheating scum, or a drug nest, and dont want you to be able to defend yourself against them.
    If I were to be hired by you, I'd carry all day long with my nice .45.

    Quote Originally Posted by JerryD View Post
    The answer is easy DON'T ASK DON'T TELL
    Good thing this isn't the military eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryD View Post
    The answer is easy DON'T ASK DON'T TELL
    Once we get concealed carry... Companies can either put in metal detectors or get used to having some of their employees able to defend themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    If I were to be hired by you, I'd carry all day long with my nice .45.
    Get in line...

    He already promised the SDM slot to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryD View Post
    The answer is easy DON'T ASK DON'T TELL
    The last conversation I had with the Plant Manager made it a DON'T ASK DON'T TELL policy.

    Just before the 9-Day Gun Deer Season, several employess and the plant manager where in the breakroom talking about various things. I changed the subject addressing the Plant Manager stating that it's a violation of company policy to have a firearm in our locked cars. He ackowledged that I was correct. Then I told him Weyehauser fired 14 employees for have guns in their vehicles. They sued the company and won big time. The Supreme Court ruled that an employer cannot deny someones right to self-defense to and from work just because they park on company property. The legislature in that state also quickly passed a law that made it iiegal for a company to fire someone having an unloaded and encased firearm in a locked vehicle on company property. I don't know just how accurate I was about all that but anywho, it's DON'T ASK DON'T TELL NOW.
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    any employer or any private business has a total right to forbid weapons on it's grounds if it so desires. All you can do is terminate your employment from said business if their no weapons policy is unsatisfactory to you. There is nothing you can do about it.

    Smithman...those ATM people are subcontractors/separate vendors that require their weapons to secure the money they transport & the Police are sworn civil servants and not subject to private businesses no weapons policies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glock34 View Post
    any employer or any private business has a total right to forbid weapons on it's grounds if it so desires. All you can do is terminate your employment from said business if their no weapons policy is unsatisfactory to you. There is nothing you can do about it.

    Smithman...those ATM people are subcontractors/separate vendors that require their weapons to secure the money they transport & the Police are sworn civil servants and not subject to private businesses no weapons policies.
    Any Private business could prohibit private security personel from carrying weapons on their property.
    The likely effect is that the owners of the ATMs would pull them as they are not going to go through the hassle of finding an unarmed security to service them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by range rat View Post
    ....Now here's a Good Question, How can I protect my Self If I have too Park my Car across the street when I Carry at the West Allis Plant?
    AN when I know I have to work at our Peewaukee Plant. I can't Carry at all because there is no street parking any where.
    By law you are allowed to have an encased firearm in your trunk. Don't ask, don't tell. Unless you give them some reason that they have the legal right to search your vehicle, they will never know. Very few places allow you to be armed while on the job. If an active shooter enters your place of employment, a firearm in your vehicle is of no use to you. If you make it to your vehicle, your only concern is to drive away from the threat. You may pray for anyone still inside but you would never go back inside after a shooter.....

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    seems to be; priviledge for some, equality for none.

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    IF my old memory serves correctly, Weyerhauser in Oklahoma fired several people that had firearms LOCKED in their vehicles on company property. I believe this case went to the Supreme Court and that the Court stated that a legally transported firearm in a locked vehicle was allowed. I generally do this myself.
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    With regards to the other people like the ATM guys carrying on the company grounds. Most likely disallowing employees is because of insurance reasons. Gander Mt. allows customers to carry but not employees for the same reason. It may even be that they must have the policy in the employee handbook just folr show, so to speak. Interestingly; my company has two seperate handbooks; one for hourly, and one for salary. The salary book makes no mention of weapons at all where the hourly bans them. I don't know if this was an oversight or if it was dictated by insurance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brass Magnet View Post
    With regards to the other people like the ATM guys carrying on the company grounds. Most likely disallowing employees is because of insurance reasons. Gander Mt. allows customers to carry but not employees for the same reason. It may even be that they must have the policy in the employee handbook just folr show, so to speak. Interestingly; my company has two seperate handbooks; one for hourly, and one for salary. The salary book makes no mention of weapons at all where the hourly bans them. I don't know if this was an oversight or if it was dictated by insurance.
    For insurance reasons don't allow your employees to carry, but on the other hand to cover your butt do not prohibit them from carrying either. Insurance company satisfied and employee personal safety is addressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryD View Post
    The answer is easy DON'T ASK DON'T TELL
    +1!!

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    Do they have these signs clearly posted outside of the building so any criminal thinking of injuring an employee can also follow their rules? <sarcasm off now>

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockman View Post
    For insurance reasons don't allow your employees to carry, but on the other hand to cover your butt do not prohibit them from carrying either. Insurance company satisfied and employee personal safety is addressed.
    Can you cite a successful lawsuit where someone was held to be responsible for the safety of their employees regarding a shooter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nutczak View Post
    Do they have these signs clearly posted outside of the building so any criminal thinking of injuring an employee can also follow their rules? <sarcasm off now>
    NO Posted Signs at all..

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithman View Post
    My employer bans guns on the premises, but the ATM guy carries, as well as cops who come in for safety fairs. The ban does not exempt anybody such as private security or police. Since they have decided to selectively enforce the policy by allowing ATM security and cops to carry, then they have no business telling me I can't carry, unless they change the wording on the ban. Is this a battle worth fighting? Sadly, no, I don't want to stake my job on it in this economy.
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