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    Asked to cover up

    I had to take the car in today for the heated seat elements being recalled for possibly catching fire. My son and I walked in to the service department at Tacoma Dodge and was greeted by a service advisor. He started to take my information when a gentleman in slacks and a button up shirt walked by and said; "Your supposed to have that covered up". My response was; "No I'm not". He says; "In this building you are". I say; "Oh, I'm sorry", and cover up my side arm.

    I mentioned the slacks and button up shirt because I later saw him sitting in an office in the service department and I do believe he is the service manager.

    So, I guess Tacoma Dodge is not OC friendly.

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    If it aint posted, how are you supposed to know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SayWhat View Post
    If it aint posted, how are you supposed to know?
    Ya, exactly. I always try and be proactive and look for signs too. There weren't any posted at the door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fordguy View Post
    .....walked in to the service department at Tacoma Dodge....
    .....So, I guess Tacoma Dodge is not OC friendly.....
    You should just avoid this whole mess with Dodge and be a Ford guy.

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    Did you take your vehicle to a different dealership?
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    Does Washington's concealed carry prohibition allow some UNIDENTIFIED well dressed person who you THINK is the service manager to over-ride it and allow you to violate the law IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PERMIT?

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    Without even looking at them, my first response, in a calm voice has been "O, and who are you to say so?"

    If they identify themselves as a manager/owner type and give me the "Its our policy..." line I ask, "Is that in writing somewhere you can show me, or do I need to confirm that for myself with your corporate office?"

    If they don't have a written policy to show me, I ask if I am being refused service unless I cover up. If they say yes, then I get the "managers/employees name and take my business elsewhere and contact corporate, by phone AND in writing.

    Since I CC most of time anyway, and unless it is too warm to be wearing a coat or double shirt (especially inside), this is rarely an issue, and the few times it has been, they almost always back down when asked for their policy in writing.

    The few times they don't back down, I follow up and have always gotten an apology form the individual on a return visit.

    You will find, that firearms are such a rare issue to come up for most employees and managers/owners of a business, they never really thought about an actual written policy to show a customer, and just make the same mistake many poorly trained LEOs make, and think concealed = concealed.

    You will also find, that when faced with such a request from a customer, most will error on the side of caution and leave you alone or very polity request you to cover "for others sake" until they have better clarification on the matter.

    There is nothing better than making people educate themselves.

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    5/28/2009 was the last positive experience that was posted. I know that because I was there OC'ing and looking at a Ram 3500 dually w/ 6 speed manual which I test drove and spent over an hour with the service manager and finance manager working out the details and maintenance issue questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M1Gunr View Post
    5/28/2009 was the last positive experience that was posted. I know that because I was there OC'ing and looking at a Ram 3500 dually w/ 6 speed manual which I test drove and spent over an hour with the service manager and finance manager working out the details and maintenance issue questions.
    My guess is that you were getting ready to spend somewhere near $40,000 and maybe THAT caused them to accommodate your OC'd pistol. Money speaks with a different voice.

    Regardless, private property folks. If they want to make everyone wear pink socks they can. Don't have to patronize them though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G20-IWB24/7 View Post
    You should just avoid this whole mess with Dodge and be a Ford guy.
    hahahaha That's pretty funny! It's my wifes Jeep, not mine. I'm sure they wouldn't of said anything at the Ford dealership.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brimstone
    Did you take your vehicle to a different dealership?
    We've dealt with Larson Jeep before and will never go back there. That is why we were trying Tacoma Dodge out for the first time.

    Quote Originally Posted by FMCDH
    Without even looking at them, my first response, in a calm voice has been "O, and who are you to say so?"

    If they identify themselves as a manager/owner type and give me the "Its our policy..." line I ask, "Is that in writing somewhere you can show me, or do I need to confirm that for myself with your corporate office?"

    If they don't have a written policy to show me, I ask if I am being refused service unless I cover up. If they say yes, then I get the "managers/employees name and take my business elsewhere and contact corporate, by phone AND in writing.

    Since I CC most of time anyway, and unless it is too warm to be wearing a coat or double shirt (especially inside), this is rarely an issue, and the few times it has been, they almost always back down when asked for their policy in writing.

    The few times they don't back down, I follow up and have always gotten an apology form the individual on a return visit.

    You will find, that firearms are such a rare issue to come up for most employees and managers/owners of a business, they never really thought about an actual written policy to show a customer, and just make the same mistake many poorly trained LEOs make, and think concealed = concealed.

    You will also find, that when faced with such a request from a customer, most will error on the side of caution and leave you alone or very polity request you to cover "for others sake" until they have better clarification on the matter.

    There is nothing better than making people educate themselves.
    I'm still fairly new to the whole OC movement. That is why I'm on here trying to educate myself from you folks who aren't as green as I am. lol. Next time I will know to ask a few more questions before I'm so quick to conceal my firearm.

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    I am probably wrong, but I think Tacoma Dodge is part of the Larson auto group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger Dr View Post
    I am probably wrong, but I think Tacoma Dodge is part of the Larson auto group.
    Larson's Dodge dealership is in Puyallup. Tacoma Dodge is not part of the RLAG.

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    Hey Ford guy, thats the cool thing about Chryslers and jeeps, you get to drive them into the service dept.
    Last edited by amzbrady; 12-28-2010 at 09:54 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fordguy View Post
    hahahaha That's pretty funny! It's my wifes Jeep, not mine. I'm sure they wouldn't of said anything at the Ford dealership.
    Having bought my Ford at the Auburn Scarff Ford dealership and having the oil changed monthly and other service....I have never had a word said in the past year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    Having bought my Ford at the Auburn Scarff Ford dealership and having the oil changed monthly and other service....I have never had a word said in the past year.
    I don't ever have to take my ford into the dealership, so I wouldn't know? My mustang is old enough that I don't need to take it to the dealership. I do all of the work myself. It's a lot cheaper that way too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fordguy View Post
    I don't ever have to take my ford into the dealership, so I wouldn't know? My mustang is old enough that I don't need to take it to the dealership. I do all of the work myself. It's a lot cheaper that way too.
    Well that is my new one (2007) my older one (1965) only goes to the dealer for shows.
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    Sorry guys, dont take it personally, but I couldnt resist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    Sorry guys, dont take it personally, but I couldnt resist
    (Sigh)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FMCDH View Post
    (Sigh)

    There is always one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Regardless, private property folks. If they want to make everyone wear pink socks they can.
    Although true I think that we have a right and responsibility to actually determine that the person telling us to wear pink socks has that authority. Joe Shmoe, walking up and saying "You have to cover that up in this building" may not have the authority to tell you that, or may not have the regulation correct even if he has the authority to enforce the rules. I would definitely ask him who he was, challenge him on the rule (politely), and then let the owner (not the service manager) know that I was taking my business elsewhere prior to leaving. This is how I handled Hardware Sales in Bellingham when the same situation happened with the security manager. The owner's response was to leave me alone so long as I wasn't violating any laws. Happy outcome for everyone but the "too big for his britches" security manager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heresolong View Post
    Although true I think that we have a right and responsibility to actually determine that the person telling us to wear pink socks has that authority. Joe Shmoe, walking up and saying "You have to cover that up in this building" may not have the authority to tell you that, or may not have the regulation correct even if he has the authority to enforce the rules. I would definitely ask him who he was, challenge him on the rule (politely), and then let the owner (not the service manager) know that I was taking my business elsewhere prior to leaving. This is how I handled Hardware Sales in Bellingham when the same situation happened with the security manager. The owner's response was to leave me alone so long as I wasn't violating any laws. Happy outcome for everyone but the "too big for his britches" security manager.
    And after your encounter I have had nothing but positive comments while I shop there OCing.
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    Harris Ford is OC friendly

    It may have had something to do with me spending 40+K on a new truck, but I didn't have a bit of problem in July when I was getting my truck at Harris Ford in Lynnwood.
    Salesman was kool with it, sales manager never said anything & the gal in finance even asked what kind of gun it was...no negative comments at all

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