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    LOC is actually LEGAL!

    First of all, I'm on vacation here in MI visiting family for the holidays, and I recently spoke with a Sergeant at the MSP post in Lakeview, and he told me that we ARE allowed to LOC (with one in the chamber optional) because there's no specific law stating we CAN'T do it and there's no specific law saying we CAN do it. The only drawback though......we can't drive LOC/UOC - the vehicle you're driving in makes the gun "concealed" (even though you can see it through the windows). You have to drive with it in the trunk, locked up in a case...

    This might be brought up in another thread, and for that I do apologize, but I figured you all should know...
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    HOLLY **** REALLY?
    LOADED OPEN CARRY IS LEGAL IN MICHIGAN
    Why don't we have a group dedicated to it!??!?!?!!

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    Being from California I am sure loaded open carry(LOC) is very very new to you. Here in Michigan its common knowledge plus most who open carry also have a concealed pistol license. This allows us to get in our vehicles with a loaded pistol. Also if you are OCing while in Michigan I would encourage you to read MCL 750.235d.

    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(cil...e=mcl-750-234d

    Keep in mind Sec 1(h) refers to any place that is licensed to sell alcohol, bars, grocery stores, gas stations, etc.

    Unless of course you are one of the few from Cali who has a concealed carry permit. IF so the above law does not apply

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    Quote Originally Posted by DooFster View Post
    First of all, I'm on vacation here in MI visiting family for the holidays, and I recently spoke with a Sergeant at the MSP post in Lakeview, and he told me that we ARE allowed to LOC (with one in the chamber optional) because there's no specific law stating we CAN'T do it and there's no specific law saying we CAN do it. The only drawback though......we can't drive LOC/UOC - the vehicle you're driving in makes the gun "concealed" (even though you can see it through the windows). You have to drive with it in the trunk, locked up in a case...

    This might be brought up in another thread, and for that I do apologize, but I figured you all should know...
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    just wondering how doofster found this website entirely devoted to OC (LOC) and past hundreds of OC posts to ask us if we knew anything about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerme View Post
    HOLLY **** REALLY?
    LOADED OPEN CARRY IS LEGAL IN MICHIGAN
    Why don't we have a group dedicated to it!??!?!?!!
    Quote Originally Posted by kryptonian View Post
    just wondering how doofster found this website entirely devoted to OC (LOC) and past hundreds of OC posts to ask us if we knew anything about it
    I wonder if there are any friendly people in Michigan? Some of the posts make a person wonder..................
    Gun control isn't about the gun at all.... for those who want gun control it is all about their own fragile egos, their own lack of self esteem, their own inner fears, and most importantly... their own desire to dominate others. And an openly carried gun is a slap in the face to all of those things.

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    I agree... don't get legal advice from law enforcement—some officers are themselves ignorant of the law... which is why we have 'refresher courses' lol. Now if the officer can point to the code in the training book or code book, then that's a different story. Get legal advice from an attorney. In fact, the prosecutor will be glad to tell you what is legal and not—for free!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    I wonder if there are any friendly people in Michigan? Some of the posts make a person wonder..................
    Do you have any male friends?

    Have you never busted your buddy's balls over something he said?

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    Welcome to Michigan, the land of freedom, compared to the PRC (The People's Republic of California).
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    I see that the OP accidentally posted this here before he reposted it in the California form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougwg View Post
    Do you have any male friends?

    Have you never busted your buddy's balls over something he said?
    Not directed at you personally Dougwg... but I believe this needs to be said.

    As with everything there is a time and a place... and, although this is just my opinion, an internet forum open to the world and closely watched by LE and other agencies/councils/organizations doesn't seem to be the place for "busting your buddy's balls" since not everyone is in on what is essentially a private joke.

    Whether folks care or not..... this forum presents an image to the world, LE and all those other agencies/councils/organizations. An image that could represent knowledge, responsibility, and maturity... or it could present the image of a bunch of goof offs "busting their buddy's balls".

    And I'll go further... I am becoming increasingly annoyed with all the pissy negative comments and the personal feuds/insults being aired within what is supposed to be a media dedicated to OC. Got negative comments or insults for one individual? Take it to PM and hash it out in private because seeing that crap here is the same as listening to the neighbor couple arguing and trading insults... they both come out sounding like idiots.
    Gun control isn't about the gun at all.... for those who want gun control it is all about their own fragile egos, their own lack of self esteem, their own inner fears, and most importantly... their own desire to dominate others. And an openly carried gun is a slap in the face to all of those things.

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    I will second what bikenut said, keep it on the up & up,

    that being said have a great new year to all !!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    Not directed at you personally Dougwg... but I believe this needs to be said.

    As with everything there is a time and a place... and, although this is just my opinion, an internet forum open to the world and closely watched by LE and other agencies/councils/organizations doesn't seem to be the place for "busting your buddy's balls" since not everyone is in on what is essentially a private joke.

    Whether folks care or not..... this forum presents an image to the world, LE and all those other agencies/councils/organizations. An image that could represent knowledge, responsibility, and maturity... or it could present the image of a bunch of goof offs "busting their buddy's balls".

    And I'll go further... I am becoming increasingly annoyed with all the pissy negative comments and the personal feuds/insults being aired within what is supposed to be a media dedicated to OC. Got negative comments or insults for one individual? Take it to PM and hash it out in private because seeing that crap here is the same as listening to the neighbor couple arguing and trading insults... they both come out sounding like idiots.
    I also agree, that was one of my major concerns when I joined MOC, prior to my becoming a member, I read too many posts that blasted others that were in to open for anyone with a computer to read.

    All groups have members who do not agree and insult each other. But we must show cohesion with each other here since so much of our views are made public. To belittle each other from one post to another just give credence to the theory of those who do not support some or all aspects of the 2nd amendment, that Open Carry should be illegal because to them it give the impression that we can not get alone with each other on a simple forum,so how can we expect them to believe we can get along with each other in public when armed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Eagle View Post
    I see that the OP accidentally posted this here before he reposted it in the California form.
    no, i think he meant to post here, he just doesn't know about michigan OC. that's why he referenced both MSP (michigan state police) and lakeview (MI) and said "i'm on vacation here in MI"
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    Quote Originally Posted by smellslikemichigan View Post
    "i'm on vacation here in MI"
    he used those same words in his CA post, go read it.
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    yes, but the nuance of his verbage in the california post meant that he specifically intended his post there for california and his post here for us in michigan.
    go read it.

    "What are the options of bringing this up to the state? Has it been brought up to the state before?"

    he added things to his california post not included in michigan
    his pronoun usage is also a clue as to his intended audience
    also, in the michigan forum he titles his post LOC is legal, in the california post he titles it LOC is legal in Michigan
    he clearly knows where his is posting
    Last edited by smellslikemichigan; 12-31-2010 at 05:12 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mastiff69 View Post
    i will second what bikenut said, keep it on the up & up,

    that being said have a great new year to all !!!!!
    hahahahahahahahaha.....

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    Yeah, I am a little new to the whole scene, but am also HIGHLY trained in how to carry and/or not carry a gun (hence being AD USAF). I posted in the CA forum because I noticed that in CA they can ONLY carry unloaded with mags separate, and getting a CCW is VERY VERY hard to get by kicking, screaming, and a little bit of "X-Rated" activities...

    I do highly apologize for making this a big scene - I just wanted to pass on some info I happened to come across... and yes, I USED to live here in Michigan for 20 years, so I have been around the blocks a few times...
    IT is better to have a gun on you and NOT need it, than to need a gun and NOT have it on you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by smellslikemichigan View Post
    he clearly knows where his is posting
    lol...thanks buddy!!
    IT is better to have a gun on you and NOT need it, than to need a gun and NOT have it on you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerme View Post
    HOLLY **** REALLY?
    LOADED OPEN CARRY IS LEGAL IN MICHIGAN
    Why don't we have a group dedicated to it!??!?!?!!
    That's no way to treat a new-b.
    Last edited by stainless1911; 12-31-2010 at 11:12 PM. Reason: removed personal insult

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    Not directed at you personally Dougwg... but I believe this needs to be said.

    As with everything there is a time and a place... and, although this is just my opinion, an internet forum open to the world and closely watched by LE and other agencies/councils/organizations doesn't seem to be the place for "busting your buddy's balls" since not everyone is in on what is essentially a private joke.

    Whether folks care or not..... this forum presents an image to the world, LE and all those other agencies/councils/organizations. An image that could represent knowledge, responsibility, and maturity... or it could present the image of a bunch of goof offs "busting their buddy's balls".

    And I'll go further... I am becoming increasingly annoyed with all the pissy negative comments and the personal feuds/insults being aired within what is supposed to be a media dedicated to OC. Got negative comments or insults for one individual? Take it to PM and hash it out in private because seeing that crap here is the same as listening to the neighbor couple arguing and trading insults... they both come out sounding like idiots.
    Couldn't agree more.

    Quote Originally Posted by DooFster View Post
    Yeah, I am a little new to the whole scene, but am also HIGHLY trained in how to carry and/or not carry a gun (hence being AD USAF). I posted in the CA forum because I noticed that in CA they can ONLY carry unloaded with mags separate, and getting a CCW is VERY VERY hard to get by kicking, screaming, and a little bit of "X-Rated" activities...

    I do highly apologize for making this a big scene - I just wanted to pass on some info I happened to come across... and yes, I USED to live here in Michigan for 20 years, so I have been around the blocks a few times...
    You have guns in the Air Force?
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    See cat at left!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NHCGRPR45 View Post
    Couldn't agree more.



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    Quote Originally Posted by smellslikemichigan View Post
    you have guns in the army?
    If it was up to a certin leader we would have rubber bullets in those guns too.

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