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    Open Carry in Rural Northern California 2011

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    January 2, 2011

    I took advantage of the sunny day we had. In spite of the fact we had a dusting of snow here on New Year's Day, it was shirt sleeve weather for my walk up to the traffic signal and back. I sterile open carried my sidearm with magazines in a pouch on my weak side, recorder running. Traffic was steady and a couple walking behind me met me at the traffic signal on my return trip. The man said to the woman, "Oh, he's packing a gun." I nodded and kept on my way. I finished my walk without any further encounters.

    As for the weight management update- I weighed in at 204.2 pounds this morning. At my best estimate, I have lost between 52 and 64 pounds since May 2010. I have navigated the holidays without gaining any weight but struggled to maintain any losses because of the weather and short daylight hours curtailing physical acvtivity. When I get to my weight loss goal I might post before and after pictures- but don't hold me to it.
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    WOW!!!! COOL your doing GREAT keep it up

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConditionThree View Post
    When I get to my weight loss goal I might post before and after pictures- but don't hold me to it.
    Are you trying to tell us that you're not Captain America? My avatar is a picture of me. I hunt and peck when i type.

    Seriously though, that's some amazing weight loss. Congrats good sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigtoe416 View Post
    Are you trying to tell us that you're not Captain America? My avatar is a picture of me. I hunt and peck when i type.

    Seriously though, that's some amazing weight loss. Congrats good sir.
    As far as I'm concerned Condition IS Captain America.

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    Congratulations!

    Hey Condition Three,

    Way to go on the weight loss! I did not do very well over the Holidays. I am up some. It is very hard to maintain during the holiday season, as you wrote.

    I am hoping to see the before and after photos.

    I am happy for you,
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    Open Carry in Rural Northern California 2011 - Continued

    February 27, 2011

    I took advantage of the clear, crisp morning for my walk in my rural neighborhood. I open carried with pamphelts and active recorder. Forgot my mobile phone. Traffic was light, no pedestrians or bicyclists. No interaction to report.

    On another note, I have broken through the 200 pound 'barrier'. I believe i will be treating myself this week to a cheeseburger with all the fixin's, provided I have secured this goal. (Last one I had was some time last April or May.)
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    Good job C-3
    You deserve the burger. enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConditionThree View Post
    February 27, 2011

    I took advantage of the clear, crisp morning for my walk in my rural neighborhood. I open carried with pamphelts and active recorder. Forgot my mobile phone. Traffic was light, no pedestrians or bicyclists. No interaction to report.

    On another note, I have broken through the 200 pound 'barrier'. I believe i will be treating myself this week to a cheeseburger with all the fixin's, provided I have secured this goal. (Last one I had was some time last April or May.)
    At least get one at a good restaurant where they use actual cheese instead of that gooey tasteless gunk that Burger Kin or Macdoohickies uses. You can usually tell when you're at a proper restaurant that serves the real deal if the chefs wear plain white hats, and not those phony looking hair nets that don't catch the flakes and lice when they fall from the head
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    Great, now we're offering restaurant reviews.

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    I heard somewhere that lice and flakes are a good source of protien.

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    Open Carry in Rural Northern California 2011 - Continued

    March 7, 2011

    I took the opportunity of the outbreak of sunshine to conduct a roadside litter pick up. I sterile loaded open carried while picking up trash up my street. I had my recorder running and pamphlets in my back pocket. Traffic was light, but I did have an approaching passer by wave as he drove by. There was no other interaction. My haul was two 33 gallon trashbags for both sides of the one mile strip I was able to service.
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    Today or sunday?

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    Open Carry in Rural Northern California 2011 - Continued

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    March 30, 2011

    I made my usual preparations for my walk to the convenience store. I carried my sidearm in my retention holster, magazine pouch weak side, active recorder and left my photo identification in my motor vehicle. Traffic was moderate until I reached the main throroughfare. I reached my destination and purchased a sandwich and beverage. While I was paying for my lunch, a man called out to his friend to ask what drink he wanted. He recieved his response and I heard him say, "Wow." In the context, I believe he was reacting to my state of being armed, and not his friend's preference of energy drinks. I took my lunch to the picnic bench out on the grassy area out front and ate near a older man and who I believe must have been his grandson. On my walk home a Shasta County Sheriffs car approached, and I mentally prepared myself to 'remain silent'. When it was apparent that the female deputy was not going to stop, I waved as she passed by. No other interaction to report.

    (In reviewing the incident report for 3-30-11, there was no report of a MWAG in my vicinity, nor was there a notation that the deputy saw a MWAG.)
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    Open Carry in Rural Northern California 2011 - Continued

    April 1, 2011

    Unloaded open carried to a late lunch at Panda Express. After I ate, I walked over to the Anderson Walmart Supercenter to do my grocery shopping. Once I completed my purchase, I stood and waited in line to get a money order. No encounters or comments of any kind.
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    Open Carry in Rural Northern California 2011 - Continued

    April 5, 2011

    Unloaded open carried to the Prime Cinemas movie theater and watched "Source Code". The children in the concessions line in front of me looked me over before departing with their mother to their flick without comment. Following the movie, I walked across the parking lot and had dinner at Mary's Pizza Shack. Patrons and staff seemed oblivious to my sidearm. No other encounters to report.
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    Just a Fair warning IF you decide to OC in Chico (butte County) Making sure your rolliing deep. It being a liberal college town I was constently being taking down to the ground at gun point This was as late as may 2010. Chico PD are a huge Civil Rights violating department That dont get the hint

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    Open Carry in Rural Northern California 2011 - Continued

    April 15, 2011

    Redding

    What is better than walking around looking at 2,000 cool cars?

    Standing in one place as they roll by.

    Kool April Nights has long been a fixture in Redding and today I attended while UOC. I stopped in a nearby restaurant and got dinner before the parade began. Afterwards, I walked to the FoodMaxx and purchased a beverage to enjoy. The clerk manning the self-check out lines did a double take as I walked away with my purchase. By the time I got to the street, the streets were already blocked off and motorheads were lining the cruise.

    I was approached by a man asking about my t-shirt (I suppose because it might be impolite to ask about the pistol hanging on my belt.) and discussed briefly the limitations on exposed carry and I gave him a pamphlet. I moved out closer to the action for a better view and stood in the middle of Dana Drive with the other onlookers.

    I situated myself behind some folks in lawn chairs next to a teenaged couple and their friend. I'd been standing there for the better part of 20 minutes when I see the friend spot my pistol and non-verbally indicate to his buddy to look. What I gathered in my peripheral vision was nothing more than a 'meh' response and they continued watching the automobiles approach and pass us without a word about it. They neither felt compelled to move away from me nor the need to alert the authorities- I estimate there were about 8-10 officers (between RPD and CHP) in the immediate vicinity which were circulating among the cars on motorcycles and posted at the street corner about 30-40 yards away.

    There were no other encounters.
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    Open Carry in Rural Northern California 2011 - Continued

    April 21, 2011

    Redding

    I arranged to meet a friend for coffee at Barnes and Noble. I arrived a bit early so I went to Office Max to get a couple of copies made. I paid for my purchase and strolled to the Barnes and Noble.

    There were three men waiting for the doors to open. I walk up and observe the time. One of them cannot help but satisfy his curiosity. Less than five seconds goes by before he asks;

    Young Fella: What kind of cop are you?
    ConditionThree: Uh, I'm not.
    Young Fella: [pregnant pause- you can almost hear the gears turning as time elapses.]
    Young Fella: Oh. [Briefer pause] Parole officer?
    ConditionThree: No. I'm not any sort of officer
    Young Fella:...and you're allowed to carry a gun?
    ConditionThree: In specific circumstances, yeah.
    ConditionThree: Yeah. Everybody is.
    Kansas: [To Young Fella] It has to be two steps from firing.
    ConditionThree: As long as you're not a prohibited person, you can carry.
    Kansas: and it has to be two steps from firing.
    ConditionThree: Well, actually for California, it would have to be unloaded in incorporated city limits.
    Kansas: ...two steps from firing
    ConditionThree: (I laugh at Kansas' persistence.) Yeah, kind of. That sounds more like Utah.
    Kansas: Kansas requires two steps from firing, and you carry your ammo on the opposite side
    ConditionThree: You from Kansas?
    Kansas: Yeah
    ConditionThree: Ok, cool.
    Young Fella says something to Jerry.
    Jerry Garcia with a Laptop: It has to be concealed.
    Kansas: No, concealed requires a permit.
    Jerry Garcia with a Laptop: You have to be concealed.
    Kansas engages Jerry with half-known facts.
    Jerry Garcia with a Laptop: But you can't carry unconcealed.

    I'm standing eight feet in front of him with a holstered pistol in plain view. It has been the topic of conversation from the moment I walked up. And I sense that in spite of possibly being generally pro-gun, that this gentleman is someone I believe would call to report a man with a gun to prove his point.

    Kansas: Yeah, you can
    Young Fella: If you have your concealed weapons permit.
    Kansas: Concealed weapons means you cant have it shown.
    Jerry Garcia with a Laptop: Right.
    ConditionThree:[Thinks to self- Wrong. A license only exempts licensees from 12025. No statutory requirement to conceal.]
    Kansas: You don't have to have a permit to carry unconcealed. Its your constitutional right.
    Jerry Garcia with a Laptop: [Grumbles inaudibly. Its evident he clearly disagrees and this open carry talk has challenged his preconceptions. It appeared as if he wished to withdraw from the topic as the store clerk prepared to open the doors.]
    Kansas: It just has to be a certain amount away from firing..
    Kansas: It has to be unloaded, correct?
    ConditionThree: Correct.

    The doors are unlocked and we are allowed in.

    Kansas takes a closer look and asks me about my pistol - After responding, I depart and I approach the barista to order coffee. A few moments later my friend joins me for coffee. We sit and converse for about two hours. More people arrive and enjoy coffee and conversation. No police encounters, no obvious looks. No puppies were punted and no kittehs were killed as a result of this libertarian audacity. Maybe Jerry 'googled' California carry laws.
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    It must be hard for Jerry to type with his middle finger missing..that and being dead.

    Thanks for sharing. Keep on educating those sheeple.
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    I don't know, but for some reason, every time C3 has an update to this, I picture an episode of Family Guy (random thought and sorry for the threadjack)...
    IT is better to have a gun on you and NOT need it, than to need a gun and NOT have it on you...

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    Open Carry in Rural Northern California 2011 - Continued

    Quote Originally Posted by DooFster View Post
    I don't know, but for some reason, every time C3 has an update to this, I picture an episode of Family Guy (random thought and sorry for the threadjack)...



    If you are suggesting that I have something in common with Peter Griffin; I no longer have his physique and I dont' think he open carries a pistol.

    April 24, 2011

    Walked to the convenience store to get a beverage and a sandwich. Traffic was pretty heavy up and back. Spotted a Shasta County Sheriff's deputy headed away from me some distance away. Once I started up the main road, I saw another black and white patrol car approaching. This time, it was the CHP. I steeled myself for a police encounter and they passed without stopping. Not five minutes later, another CHP car approached. At first, I believed it was the same car that passed me earlier having circled around. They didnt stop either. I arrived at the store unmolested and made my purchase and ate my sandwich out front in the picnic area. I walked back the way I came. Nearly home, a fellow in a pickup rolled by and gave me a hard look through the passenger side.

    I think this is the forth and fifth time police have passed me as a plainly armed individual on the street. They must not be that observant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConditionThree View Post
    I think this is the forth and fifth time police have passed me as a plainly armed individual on the street. They must not be that observant.
    I once had three officers pass me from about 6 feet away, twice, with my strong side facing them, while they were actively looking for me, and they didn't see the sidearm. I finally asked one of the cops if I could help them, and only then did he look down and see it. The e-check was uneventful and by the book.

    This was at a fairly crowded farmer's market, and one of the merchants there had called them. I knew right when it happened because I saw her eyes bug out when she saw me, and she quickly slinked off to use her cellphone. The cops made their way up the street about 10 minutes later. After the e-check, I finished my walk to the end of the street, and then made my way back past the frightened merchant. One of the officers was there talking to her. I smiled at her as I walked by, and she had this look of indignation on her face, like she couldn't believe that the cops had not hauled me off in leg irons to Guantanamo Bay. I'm sure they set her straight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConditionThree View Post


    If you are suggesting that I have something in common with Peter Griffin; I no longer have his physique and I dont' think he open carries a pistol.
    My apologies...lol. I had an episode of Family Guy (where Peter narrates his life) going through my head and just dubbed over it. No offense intended...
    IT is better to have a gun on you and NOT need it, than to need a gun and NOT have it on you...

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    Open Carry in Rural Northern California 2011 - Continued

    May 7, 2011

    Walked to the convenience store for lunch today. Traffic was heavier than usual. Made my purchase with the owner of the store and no mention of my state of being armed was made. I ate out front near a picnic table populated with seniors. I walked home without incident, though it did seem some people noticed.
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    Open Carry in Rural Northern California 2011 - Continued

    May 21, 2011

    As a coordinator, I fail. I PM'd a few here of my plans for this weekend and told them I would be in a particular place at a particular time so we could meet. The particular place was not open at the particular time I indicated. I also said that after I got my hot brewed caffinated beverage, that I would go to a second location- which wasn't where I intended it to be. So- all planning was out the window. I apologize if you were where I was not.

    Today the 63rd annual Redding Rodeo parade was held, and I was in attendance while unloaded open carrying. In addition to my planning faux pas, I arrived a little late to park where I would have liked. I ended up parking about two blocks away and walked into the parade area. Streets were already lined with spectators and as I walked across California Street, an older couple obverved me- the man said "Nice gun..." I bid him good morning with no acknowledgement of his ham handed compliment.

    On my way to my intended rendezvous two Redding Police officers mounted on dirt bikes passed me making no observation of my pistol. This was the first of a half dozen near misses with law enforcement at the parade. Seeing that the business I wanted to get coffee at was closed, I made a u-turn back to California Street where the parade was commencing. I heard a little boy ask his mother why there were people with a gun nearby. I didnt hear the mothers response. I winced at this internally, like a kid pretending to avoid the 'hot lava' they imagine as their fiery obstacle- though the object is normalization, it isnt thrown in anyone's face and I think its unfortunate that it would result in difficult questions for parents to answer.

    I took up residence on the eastern sidewalk on California street and watched the mounted Marines, marching bands, baton twirlers and Shriner's in their sputtering Mini-Cars flow by (how can grown men wearing a Fez riding in go-karts NOT amuse you?). A female RPD officer on a bicycle rode by on the street near me- she would repeat this with various proximities another three times, never observing an armed individual in the crowd. Another officer on a dirt bike (it may have been one of the officers I saw earlier) passed on the opposite side of the street.



    Spot the open carrier in this newspaper picture (Credit Record Searchlight/Julie Peters).

    Nearing the end of the parade, a man came up to me and asked if I'd like some water and offered to get some for me. Spidey-senses were tingling. This was definately peculiar. I believe the man believed that because I was armed, that I was stationed there as some security or a police officer. I declined and he returned to his spouse. While I did not wholly hear the discussion between them, I think the wife indicated that I was not a 'cop'.

    Four minutes later an RPD motor officer rolled up behind me from the parking lot and engaged me in voluntary contact. While he questioned the negative effects that may result in the practice of open carry, the officer never escalated the level of contact, never dismounted his motorcycle, did not engage any investigatory interrogation, did not demand identification or identity, did not ask if my pistol were loaded, did not request or demand to perform a 12031(e) check, and did not conduct a search of me or my pistol. (Score 10/10) I introduced myself and gave him my business card before our conversation was complete. Aside from meeting an outstanding officer, the net gain to this is that the people who had seen me with a pistol were able to also witness to a lawful gun owner interacting with law enforcement with no negative outcome. They now know what I was doing is not illegal.

    After the parade concluded, I went to Lake Redding park where another event was being held. The 2nd annual "Cops and Rodders" was being held in part as a fundraiser for the Redding Police Depts K9 unit. I arrived there about the same time Shasta County Sheriff Tom Bosenko did. Also present were officers with the CHP as well as a number of Redding Police, both sworn and community service officers.

    I went to concessions immediately and I ate lunch in the shade. I took a look at a few of the cars and sat to wait for Centex to arrive. When he arrived we talked for a bit when we were approached by two CSO's selling raffle tickets. I bought two- and one of them asked me if I were a deputy. I indicated that I was not. They gave me my ticket stubs and left without any comment. Centex and I meandered through and looked at all the old steel and passed within about 6 feet of Sheriff Bosenko. We later passed Redding Police Chief Peter Hansen as well as other uniformed officers. No contact was made by anyone. Bystanders must have assumed that I was an officer, while the law enforcement present either did not care or did not observe that someone was armed in their presence.

    In all, it was a pretty good excursion. However, I did find that the batteries in my digital recorder were completely exhasuted after 3 hours and 51 minutes of recording. This would have done me no good if there were a confrontational encounter with police.
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