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    Constitutional Carry - Is it in the wings?

    I'm sure by now that most informed Kentuckians that OC/CC are aware of the fact that Constitutional Carry is waiting in the wings to be heard and voted on by the Kentucky Legislature. I finally tracked down the act as it was written up to be heard.

    BR 165 - Representative Mike Harmon (12/16/10)
    AN ACT relating to deadly weapons.
    Create a new section of KRS Chapter 527 to permit persons over 21 who are not prohibited from possessing firearms to carry firearms openly or concealed and, specify permitted locations; amend KRS 527.020 relating to carrying concealed deadly weapons to eliminate the crime of carrying a concealed deadly weapon and, specify conditions for a peace officer carrying concealed deadly weapon; amend KRS 527.040 relating to possession of firearm or handgun by a convicted felon to update a federal agency reference and make a technical change; amend KRS 150.172 relating to hunting to permit carrying openly or concealed firearm for self-defense while hunting; amend KRS 237.102 to prohibit banning of possession or carrying of firearms during a disaster; amend KRS 237.106 relating to possession of firearms in vehicles to expand right to sue for violation of rights and, add a reference to elementary and secondary schools in exemptions.

    (Prefiled by the sponsor(s).)

    Source: http://www.lrc.ky.gov/record/11RS/HB113.htm
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    I'm confused...

    In referance to "amend KRS 150.172 relating to hunting to permit carrying openly or concealed firearm for self-defense while hunting"

    I thought you could already carry while hunting in KY. Or is it just bow hunting for now? I know for sure you can carry a firearm while hunting bow for protection. Or am I just reading this wrong. LOL (If so I blame Jessamine Co. school systems!)

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    i was confused with the wording too, so i called the dept. of fish and wildlife. they said the new law went into effect july 15th, a person can carry a handgun for protection while hunting it does not matter what your hunting just make sure one of your weapons are legal for the game your after then the other can be used as your defense.

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    Sweet!!!

    Thats kinda what I thought but all the "lawyer" lingo confused me. LOL Thanks!!! Now hopefully the Cont. Conceal Carry will pass.

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    I am praying for it to pass too!
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    confused

    Most of those laws are already in effect and on the books under krs 237, however const. concealed carry is not.

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    I am glad to hear " Freedom to Carry " has been introduced in Ky. It has been cold here in Az. lately, and this is our first year with " Freedom to Carry " as you all know, and I can tell you all it has been nice to put my coat on, letting it cover my firearm, and knowing I was not breaking the law. I sure hope your elected officials get it passed this year.

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    Me too

    how is your open carry laws in arizona? They as good as ours?
    I was noticing they put persons over 21 to carry open or concealed and specify locations not able to carry. We can already open carry at 18 in KY, and we can open carry a lot more places than we can conealed carry. I hope they dont add places where open carry is not allowed, or make the age to OC 21 from 18. Any INFO anyone.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KYGlockster View Post
    I hope they dont add places where open carry is not allowed, or make the age to OC 21 from 18. Any INFO anyone.?
    By the letter of the constitution, they aren't supposed to regulate open carry at all.

    Although they've passed limited restrictions, I think most are reasonable. But, I don't see them being able to justify any other locations imo.

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    Cool

    I know my state representative very well. I went to school with his son and he is a close personal friend of my family. He is all for our rights to bear arms. He is an avid hunter too. I know he will be pushing hard for our rights.

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    I sent him my peace.

    Hello Rep. MIke Harmon, I hope you are finding peace in your current legislative session, and I just wanted to take a moment of your time in lending my support for HB 113. I am one of many proud Kentuckians that already takes advantage of Kentucky's right to open carry a firearm. I do so to protect myself, my family, but most importantly my little girl from the evil doers that are among us. However there are many people that just do not understand the law, or just choose not to open carry for fear of harrasment or embarrassment. It would be nice to have Constitutional Concealed carry as well, it would make it easier for someone on a limited budget such as myself to conceal carry when around large groups of people. It would allow people that are afraid to open carry the right to protect their self as well, and I believe everyone has that right as im sure you do as well. I would like to thank you for all you do. It is because of the men and women such as yourself, that us residents of this great state get to live in much more freedom than most. Thank you for your time.

    Lets get to callin and emailing everyone. The time is getting close.....

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    If this Legislation Passes, then, Kentucky will beocme The Forth Constitutional Carry State!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KYGlockster View Post
    how is your open carry laws in arizona? They as good as ours?
    I was noticing they put persons over 21 to carry open or concealed and specify locations not able to carry. We can already open carry at 18 in KY, and we can open carry a lot more places than we can conealed carry. I hope they dont add places where open carry is not allowed, or make the age to OC 21 from 18. Any INFO anyone.?
    Here in Az. our gun laws are some of the best I`ve ever seen, but it did not come over night. We have some of the greatest people in the world working hard for the 2nd Amendment here. We have " Freedom to Carry ", restaurant carry, ( must have permission slip and it needs to be CC, but we are working on that ), one of the best stand your ground laws around, and are now working on state wide collage carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aadvark View Post
    If this Legislation Passes, then, Kentucky will become The Forth Constitutional Carry State!
    I personally believe Ut. or Wy. will become the next to get " Freedom to Carry ", but I sure hope Ky. does get it this year.

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    Crazy

    I always figured your laws would be better than ours, i guess there not though, in KY, we can open or concealed carry in a rest. that makes at least 50% of income from food sales and seats at least 50 ppl, if they serve alcohol, We can open carry almost everywhere, OC is constitutionaly protected in KY, and hopefully with our new bill that has been introduced the laws will realax on CC as well. For stand your ground and castle doctrine, KY has some of the best laws for self defense. Go to KY.gov and go to our state statutes page. KRS chapt. 503. Some of the best laws in the country for self protection and protection of property. I hope they relax your laws a little more, the cc only in a rest. is really crazy.

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    I'm just awaiting the results of the vote on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neuroblades View Post
    I'm just awaiting the results of the vote on this.
    Me too. Is there ANY information on the discussions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KYGlockster View Post
    I always figured your laws would be better than ours, i guess there not though, in KY, we can open or concealed carry in a rest. that makes at least 50% of income from food sales and seats at least 50 ppl, if they serve alcohol, We can open carry almost everywhere, OC is constitutionaly protected in KY, and hopefully with our new bill that has been introduced the laws will realax on CC as well. For stand your ground and castle doctrine, KY has some of the best laws for self defense. Go to KY.gov and go to our state statutes page. KRS chapt. 503. Some of the best laws in the country for self protection and protection of property. I hope they relax your laws a little more, the cc only in a rest. is really crazy.
    I wholeheartedly agree with the fact that Ky. is a great state for gun owners. Years ago I lived in Morehead for a while, and I was stationed at Fort Knox while in the Army, your state is very beautiful, and I enjoyed living there. Az. has some work to do, and I hope that this nutcases insane shooting doesn`t slow things up. I love the " Cowboy Way of Life ", and love Az. because of it, but I have to say that if I were to move back east again, it would by Ky. In the city I live in the police don`t care about restaurant carry, I`ve sat at the next table over from LE. while OCing in diners that sold beer and wine, and never a word. I do think the law here will change, maybe this year.

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    I read an interesting article on this in todays Ownesboro messenger & inquirer. It was not very supportive. Wish I could provide a link from the papers website but it is a pay to view site sadly. But most of the politicians they talked too in the article were not in favor.

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    Yeah, i think it is terrible what this guy has done. And the politicians are trying to say they need mag. restrictions, and stricter laws to purchase guns, and this and that. I believe this was a single case of a unstable man doing very baad things. Changing laws would not help this. Some people are just bad, and some arent. If he wanted that gun he woulld have got it regardless of where it was purchased. Legally or illegally. My heart goes out to these people, but i wonder if the mall this happend in was weapon sterile? I would say so, does neone know?

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    It wasn't in a mall, it was outside. I think they were next to a grocery store, but I am unsure about that detail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnfetteredMight View Post
    It wasn't in a mall, it was outside. I think they were next to a grocery store, but I am unsure about that detail.
    It was a strip mall, a cabbie had just dropped him of and he went into Safeway to get money from the ATM, paid the cabbie, walked out and started shooting. most strip malls here do not ban firearms, and if more people there had firearms then just maybe, only two would have been shot, the first victim and then him,

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    It is sad that someone wasnt carrying at this place, I agree a hundred percent. Alot of life could have been saved, and then it might have been guy with gun takes down criminal, or sumptn like that. Insted everyone is talking about gun control, and we need more of it. What dont people understand about making stricter gun control laws isnt going to stop people lilke this?? bad people do bad things and there is nothing a law will do to stop that. Why dont we pass a law against being a bad person, im sure that would just end all violence? wouldnt it???? thats why these people are criminals, because they break the law, obviously laws dont stop them!!

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    My concern is how will that affect me when I travel. I live near the KY, WV and OH lines. They recognize the KY permit, but not CC. I wonder if KY will still have a license (of sorts) to keep the resiprocity with other states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mullannix930 View Post
    My concern is how will that affect me when I travel. I live near the KY, WV and OH lines. They recognize the KY permit, but not CC. I wonder if KY will still have a license (of sorts) to keep the resiprocity with other states.
    The way you have written this post confuses me. You say that these states recgonize a Ky license, but dont recgonize cc? If Ccarry without a license was ever passed in Ky, they would keep the licensing process so people can enjoy privilages that come with it, such as exempting us from nics checks and reciprocity. If a state recognizes our permit, then we are able to carry Concealed in that state as long as we follow their laws. If you have a license and do not renew it if Ccarry without a license passed, then you would of course lose reciprocity with other states. The only way you could carry in those states is if they allow open/concealed carry without a license and car carry without a license. So I would keep my license if this ever passed because the only reason I got it in the first place was for reciprocity.

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