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    Representative Gabrielle Giffords

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...-public-event/

    If your like me you have been watching this information on TV for awhile now. This is horrible, the man that shot her was obviously insane. She is the only US representative whom spouse is active duty military. Also a Judge was killed in this same attack, as well as a 9 year old child. I pray for them and their families.

    Jared L Loughner, is the suspect, he was only caught, because an OCer took shoots at him, and many civilians than tackled him, and held him until police could make the arrest. These are from eye-witness accounts on the ground (I was not there and do not know for sure, but this IS what eye witnesses claim).
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    Unhappy Just plain koo koo!

    Sad, when someone does something this crazy. Glad an OCer was in the area to step up, otherwise the loss of life could of been worse (going off what you posted) of course the news reports I've seen make no mention of the OC intervention. Media bias I suppose

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    Pray for the families of the wounded and the dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glock9mmOldStyle View Post
    Sad, when someone does something this crazy. Glad an OCer was in the area to step up, otherwise the loss of life could of been worse (going off what you posted) of course the news reports I've seen make no mention of the OC intervention. Media bias I suppose
    It was Sheppard Smith on FNC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scot623 View Post
    pray for the families of the wounded and the dead.
    x 1,000
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    There are a few threads on this just go to the top of this page and click on what's new.

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    he was a known mental patient. His favorite books list are mostly socialist and communist garbage. His final video claims the government controls us with sentence structure? WTF?

    Was this freak wearing his tin foil hat?

    his quotes here "This was posted on the young man who is the supposed suspect:

    "If there's no flag in the constitution then the flag in the film is unknown.
    There's no flag in the constitution.
    Therefore, the flag in the film is unknown.
    Burn every new and old flag that you see.
    Burn your flag!
    I bet you can imagine this in your mind with a faster speed.
    Watch this protest in reverse!
    Ask the local police; "What's your illegal activity on duty?".
    If you protest the government then there's a new government from protesting.
    There's not a new government from protesting.
    Thus, you aren't protesting the government.
    There's something important in this video: There's no communication to anyone in this location.
    You shouldn't be afraid of the stars.
    There's a new bird on my right shoulder. The beak is two feet and lime green. The rarest bird on earth, there's no feathers, but small grey scales all over the body. It's with one large red eye with a light blue iris. The bird feet are the same as a woodpecker. This new bird and there's only one, the gender is not female or male. The wings of this bird are beautiful; 3 feet wide with the shape of a bald eagle that you could die for. If you can see this bird then you will understand. You think this bird is able to chat about a government?
    I want you to imagine a comet or meteoroid coming through the atmosphere.
    On the other hand, welcome yourself to the desert: Maybe your ability to protest is from the brainwash of the current government structure."


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    Update 2: From his YouTube profile is the reading list of someone who is not obviously ideological, but including Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto in there is indicative of someone disturbed:

    I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno."

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/jared...#ixzz1AUXXnxZf
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    Exo 22:2 "If anyone catches a thief breaking in and hits him so that he dies, he is not guilty of murder.
    Luke 22:36: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luk 11:21 "When a strong man, with all his weapons ready, guards his own house, all his belongings are safe.

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    This guy is a certifiable whack-job.

    Why can't people like this go seek help or quietly off themselves instead of doing things like this?

    How could anyone anywhere near this guy not know he was sick and needed help?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scot623 View Post
    Pray for the families of the wounded and the dead.
    Yes - This.

    Pray for the Media Circus to end soon also.

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    The system knew he was a nut job, he was forcefully admitted to a mental ward once then release the next day Fox news said. Fox news questioned why the NCIC wasn't notified of this. Like always the system knew the shooter was a prior mental case.

    Quote Originally Posted by PDinDetroit View Post
    This guy is a certifiable whack-job.

    Why can't people like this go seek help or quietly off themselves instead of doing things like this?

    How could anyone anywhere near this guy not know he was sick and needed help?
    Exo 22:2 "If anyone catches a thief breaking in and hits him so that he dies, he is not guilty of murder.
    Luke 22:36: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luk 11:21 "When a strong man, with all his weapons ready, guards his own house, all his belongings are safe.

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    It is being reported on Fox that a man in his 50's is now being sought as a possible accomplice.

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    Can anyone confirm the possibility that an OCer stopped the attack?

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    MSNBC Keith Oberman is ranting on Fox and gun owners for this shooting, Nothing so far that the shooter was mentally ill. What a bunch of crap. He is attacking 2nd Amd., Beck Plain, and anyone that support freedom.
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    Like its really Palins fault

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    Many will ask "why was he allowed a gun?"

    Will anyone ask "why wasn't anyone else there armed?"

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    I did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venator View Post
    MSNBC Keith Oberman is ranting on Fox and gun owners for this shooting, Nothing so far that the shooter was mentally ill. What a bunch of crap. He is attacking 2nd Amd., Beck Plain, and anyone that support freedom.
    Apparently everyone has an agenda and this tragic shooting is bringing those agendas out into the spotlight.

    Because of the shooting of Rep. Gifford the House of Representatives has postponed it's business in order for it to be available to take whatever action is necessary.

    Now just exactly why would the House of Representatives of the United States of America get involved in what is essentially a law enforcement problem?

    What possible "action" would be appropriate for law makers to take in the wake of a shooting?

    I think we are about to see the true colors of the people we elected in November... and for some odd reason I'm already cringing.
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    Gun control isn't about the gun at all.... for those who want gun control it is all about their own fragile egos, their own lack of self esteem, their own inner fears, and most importantly... their own desire to dominate others. And an openly carried gun is a slap in the face to all of those things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    I think we are about to see the true colors of the people we elected in November... and for some odd reason I'm already cringing.
    I too am waiting to see what the R's are going to be all about, they all are not guilty of being weak but most have been for a while now and I'm sick and tired of them giving into the left and there screwed up ways. It is time for them to kick ars like men should, and not fip flop and be week like our Rep R. Fread Upton. Stick you curly lightbulb's up your ars Fread!

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    I promise you this, the republicans will cave in as always.



    Quote Originally Posted by quarter horseman View Post
    I too am waiting to see what the R's are going to be all about, they all are not guilty of being weak but most have been for a while now and I'm sick and tired of them giving into the left and there screwed up ways. It is time for them to kick ars like men should, and not fip flop and be week like our Rep R. Fread Upton. Stick you curly lightbulb's up your ars Fread!
    Exo 22:2 "If anyone catches a thief breaking in and hits him so that he dies, he is not guilty of murder.
    Luke 22:36: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luk 11:21 "When a strong man, with all his weapons ready, guards his own house, all his belongings are safe.

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    This smells like an MK-Ultra nut job. Here are some quotes from the shooter and background.

    "I can't trust the current government," and "I'm a sleepwalker," Jared Lee Loughner proclaimed in an Internet video before the shooting of a federal judge, congresswoman and others on Saturday in Tucson.
    His rambling videos had already caused him trouble at school, scaring his community college into suspending him in September.
    In early October, he agreed to withdraw from school.
    By November, Loughner had bought a Glock, purchased legally from a Sportsman's Warehouse in Tucson, the Associated Press and Washington Post reported.
    Federal sources identified Jared L. Loughner, 22, of Tucson, as the suspected gunman in the shooting Saturday at a meet-the-constituents meeting in Tucson.
    Public records in Arizona showed a Jared L. Loughner, born in September 1988, which would make him 22 years old. He was living on Soledad Avenue in Tucson, about a five-mile drive from the Safeway store where the shooting occurred, in the Foothill Malls area.
    Pima Community College, in Tucson, issued a statement identifying Loughner as the suspect. It said he was a student from the summer of 2005 to fall of 2010, but he was suspended Sept. 29 for conduct violations. It said he agreed to withdrew from the college on Oct. 4.
    The college said that from February to September of 2010, Loughner had five contacts with college police for disrupting classrooms and the library. It said he was prohibited from returning to the college.
    A spokesman for the college said Loughner's videos troubled administrators and campus police, leading to his suspension. In one video, he "claims that the College is illegal according to the U.S. Constitution, and makes other claims," the college's statement said.
    Video: Clearer picture emerges of alleged Ariz. shooter (on this page)
    Loughner and his parents, Amy and Randy Loughner, met with administrators, who required him to be obtain a certification that "in the opinion of a mental health professional, his presence at the College does not present a danger to himself or others."college. The college didn't say whether Loughner ever saw a psychiatrist or was being treated for any disorder.
    Records from a public records service showed only a minor criminal charge against a Jared L. Loughner with the same date of birth, though such records can be incomplete. The Arizona Republic reported that the charge was for possession of drug paraphernalia. The charge was dismissed in 2008 by the city attorney after Loughner entered a pre-trial diversion program.
    Tamara Crawley, director of the Marana Unified School District in Tucson, said Loughner attended Mountain View High School in Tucson for three years but withdrew after completing his junior year in 2006. Crawley said she did not know why Loughner had withdrawn from Mountain View High, and it was not clear if he had transferred to another school in the area.
    Lynda Sorenson said she took a math class with Loughner last summer at Pima Community College's Northwest campus and told the Arizona Daily Star he was "obviously very disturbed."
    "He disrupted class frequently with nonsensical outbursts," she said.
    Federal law enforcement officials were poring over copies of a MySpace page that belonged to Jared Loughner, as well as YouTube videos published to the Internet weeks ago under an account "Classitup10" and identifying the author as Jared Lee Loughner. Thusfar there has been no official confirmation that the man who posted the videos is the same man who is suspected in the shooting, and no charges against Loughner have been announced.
    Video: Loughner was getting ‘a little different,’ says friend (on this page)
    The videos are not blatantly political, in the sense that they do not mention the congresswoman or federal judge that he's suspected of shooting, nor any specific legislation. They do complain that too few people in the area speak English — immigration has been a hot-button political issue, particularly in the border state of Arizona, and the federal judge who was killed had handled high-profile cases about immigration, after which he received threats. (The sheriff said Saturday night that it appears the judge was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and the gunman went first for the congresswoman.)
    ‘I can't trust the current government’
    Referring to District 8, the congressional district served by Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, Loughner wrote, "The majority of people who reside in District 8 are illiterate — hilarious. I don't control your English grammar structure."

    And he adds, "I can't trust the current government because of fabrications. The government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar."
    In another video, The Washington Post reported, titled "America: Your last memory in a terrorist country!," a figure in dark clothing and a smiley-face mask burns an American flag in the desert. The Post reported that the soundtrack is a 2001 song by the band Drowning Pool, in which the singer shrieks, "Let the bodies hit the floor!"
    The MySpace page, which was removed within minutes of the gunman being identified by U.S. officials, included a mysterious "Goodbye friends" message published hours before the shooting. It also exhorted his friends to "Please don't be mad at me."
    Screenshots that appear to come from that page show a handgun on top of a U.S. history textbook.
    Pima County Sheriff's officials said the gunman used a pistol to carry out the shooting spree.
    The Washington Post reported more details on the weapon: "Federal law enforcement sources said Loughner used a Glock 19 semiautomatic pistol that was found with a fully loaded magazine that held about 30 bullets. He had another magazine that held about 30 bullets and two others that each held about 15 bullets. He also was carrying a knife."
    U.S. officials who provided his name to the AP spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release it publicly. Sources also gave NBC News the same name and age.
    In one of the videos, Loughner claims to have been a military recruit. NBC and The Arizona Republic reported that U.S. Army officials confirmed that Loughner attempted to volunteer, but was rejected.
    In a rambling, philosophical YouTube video titled " My Final Thoughts: Jared Lee Loughner," the author does not appear. There are only words on the screen with background music, more of a slide show than a video. He muses:
    “All conscience dreaming at this moment is asleep. Jared Loughner is conscience dreaming at this moment. Thus, Jared Loughner is asleep."

    He describes a loss of property rights by Americans, and ends with, "Terrorist: If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon. ... If you call me a terrorist, then the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem. You call me a terrorist. Thus, the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem.”
    In one of several Youtube videos, the author described inventing a new U.S. currency and complained about the illiteracy rate among people living in Giffords' congressional district in Arizona.
    "I know who's listening: Government Officials, and the People," the author wrote. "Nearly all the people, who don't know this accurate information of a new currency, aren't aware of mind control and brainwash methods. If I have my civil rights, then this message wouldn't have happen (sic)."
    His online profiles say he attended Northwest Aztec Middle College and Pima Community College, both in the same county as Tucson.
    The Arizona Republic reported that Loughner interrupted a math class at Pima with nonsensical outbursts, and was barred from class.
    And The Republic reports that in mid-December, about the same time as the videos were posted, Loughner posted:
    "WOW! I’m glad i didn’t kill myself. I’ll see you on National T.v.! This is foreshadow .... why doesn’t anyone talk to me?.."
    and
    "I don’t feel good: I’m ready to kill a police officer! I can say it."
    In a profile online, he listed his favorite books: "Animal Farm," "Brave New World," "The Wizard of OZ," "Aesop's Fables," "The Odyssey," "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland," "Fahrenheit 451," "Peter Pan," "To Kill A Mockingbird," "We The Living," "Phantom Toll Booth," "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest," "Pulp," "Through The Looking Glass," "The Communist Manifesto," "Siddhartha," "The Old Man and the Sea," "Gulliver's Travels," "Mein Kampf," "The Republic," and "Meno."
    A 22-year-old woman in Arizona, Caitie Parker, claimed on her Twitter feed that she went to high school and college with the gunman, and was in a band with him. She described his politics in the past as "left wing, quite liberal, & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy." She also described him as having a lot of friends "until he got alcohol poisoning in '06" and dropped out of school. "Mainly loner very philosophical."
    Parker described the gunman meeting Rep. Gabrielle Giffords previously: "He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in '07, asked her a question & he told me she was 'stupid & unintelligent.'"
    YouTube video transcripts
    In one of the videos, entitled "Hello," the author writes in words on a black and white screen:
    Hello
    Hello, my name is Jared Lee Loughner.

    This video is my introduction to you! My favorite activity is conscience dreaming; the greatest inspiration for my political business information. Some of you don't dream - sadly.

    Firstly, the current government officials are in power for their currency, but I'm informing you for your new currency! If you're treasurer of a new money system, then you're responsible for the distributing of a new currency. We now know - the treasurer for a new money system, is the distributor of the new currency. As a result, the people approve a new money system which is promising new information that's accurate, and we truly believe in a new currency. Above all, you have your new currency, listener?

    Secondly, my hope - is for you to be literate! If you're literate in English grammar, then you comprehend English grammar. The majority of people, who reside in District-8, are illiterate - hilarious. I don't control your English grammar structure, but you control your English grammar structure.

    Thirdly, I know who's listening: Government Officials, and the People. Nearly all the people, who don't know this accurate information of a new currency, aren't aware of mind control and brainwash methods. If I have my civil rights, then this message wouldn't have happen.

    In conclusion, my ambition - is for informing literate dreamers about a new currency; in a few days, you know I'm conscience dreaming! Thank you!
    And in a second video, called "My Final Thoughts," he questions the literacy of his listeners:
    My Final Thoughts: Jared Lee Loughner
    Most people, who read this text, forget in the next 2 second!
    The population of dreamers in the United States of America is less than 5%!
    (next slide = jumble of numbers outlining "the previous year of B.C.E.")
    If B.C.E. years are unable to start then A.D.E. years are unable to begin.
    B.C.E. years are unable to start.
    Thus, A.D.E. years are unable to begin.
    If I teach a mentally capable 8 year old for 20 consecutive minutes to replace an alphabet letter with a new letter and pronounciation then the mentally capable 8 year old writes and pronounces the new letter and pronunciation that's replacing an alphabet letter in 20 consecutive minutes.
    I teach a mentally capable 8 year old for 20 consecutive minutes to replace an alphabet letter with a new letter and pronounciation.
    Thus, the mentally capable 8 year old writes and pronounces the new letter and pronunciation that's replacing an alphabet letter in 20 consecutive minutes.
    Every human who's mentally capable is always able to be treasurer of their new currency.
    If you create one new currency then you're able to create a second new currency.
    If you're able to create second new currency then you're able to create third new currency.
    You create one new currency.

    Thus, you're able to create a third currency.
    You're a treasurer for a new currency, listener?
    You create and distribute your new currency, listener?

    You don't allow the government to control your grammar structure, listener?
    If you create one new language then you're able to create a second new language.
    If you're able to create a second new language then you're able to create a third new language.
    You create one new hanguage.
    Thus, you're able to create a third new language.
    All humans are in need of sleep.
    Jared Loughner is a human.
    Hence, Jared Loughner is in need of sleep.
    Sleepwalking
    If I define sleepwalking then sleepwalking is the act or state of walking, eating, or performing other motor acts while asleep, of which one is unaware upon awakening.
    I define sleepwalking.
    Thus, sleepwalking is the act or state of walking, eating, or performing other motor acts while asleep, of which one is unaware upon awakening.
    I'm a sleepwalker - who turns off the alarm clock.
    All conscience dreaming at this moment is asleep.
    Jared Loughner is conscience dreaming at this moment.

    Thus Jared Loughner is asleep.
    Terrorist
    If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon.

    I define terrorist.

    Thus a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon.

    If you call me a terrorist then the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem.

    You call me a terrorist.

    Thus, the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem.
    Every United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix is receiving one mini bible before the tests.

    Jared Loughner is a United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix.

    Therefore, Jared Loughner is receiving one mini bible before the tests.

    I didn't write a belief on my Army application, and the recruiter wrote on the application: None.
    The majority of citizens in the United States of America have never read the United States of America's Constitution.

    You don't have to accept the federalist laws.

    Nonetheless, read the United States of America's Constitution to apprehend all of the current treasonous laws.

    You're literate, listener?
    If property owners and government officials are no longer in ownership of their land and laws from a revolution then the revolutionary's from the revolution are in control of the land and the laws.

    The property owners and government officials are no longer in ownership of their land and laws from a revolution.

    Thus, the revolutionary's from the revolution are in control of the land and the laws.

    In conclusion, reading the second United States Constitution, I can't trust the government because of the ratifications: The government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar.

    No! I won't pay debt with a currency that's not backed by gold and silver!
    No! I won't trust in God!
    What's government if words don't have meaning?
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    Exo 22:2 "If anyone catches a thief breaking in and hits him so that he dies, he is not guilty of murder.
    Luke 22:36: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luk 11:21 "When a strong man, with all his weapons ready, guards his own house, all his belongings are safe.

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    I heard the mother of the little 9 year old girl on Fox this AM. She wouldn't say on air what she wanted to occur, but I will (as a parent).

    Killing of a child should bring forth the most public, painful punishment we can perform on the perpetrator. An attack on the most defenseless of our people should be met with justice swift and sure. This person, mentally sick or not, should be wiped from the face of this Earth, never to be spoken of again.

    I am still sick to my stomach about this whole event. I am so glad I have taken the time to train my children with firearms and knowing how to defend themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venator View Post
    MSNBC Keith Oberman is ranting on Fox and gun owners for this shooting, Nothing so far that the shooter was mentally ill. What a bunch of crap. He is attacking 2nd Amd., Beck Plain, and anyone that support freedom.
    I honestly don't know anyone that takes olberman seriously, he is known to just be an over the top liberal whack job looking for ratings. what else do you expect on msnbc though? people act like fox is the most biased, but msnbc is by far worse imo.

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    One thing I noticed off the bat when I saw he uses his middle name... Jared Lee Loughner. It reminded me of Conspiracy Theory:

    Jerry: David Berkowitz, Ted Bundy, Richard Speck...
    Alice: What about them?
    Jerry: Serial killers. Serial killers only have two names. You ever notice that? But lone gunmen assassins, they always have three names. John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, Mark David Chapman...
    Alice: John Hinckley. He shot Reagan. He only has two names.
    Jerry: Yeah, but he only just shot Reagan. Reagan didn't die. If Reagan had died, I'm pretty sure we probably would all know what John Hinckley's middle name was.
    No I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but that was the first thing that struck me when I saw his name.

    Anyway, people will react to this tragedy by pushing through legislation to require psychological evaluations prior to obtaining a handgun. Even though Giffords seems to be fairly moderate, I still think she will become the next Brady. A bullet through the head can do that to you. I suppose we are lucky this happened in Arizona, being the very pro-2A state that it is. But I wish this never happened at all. I feel bad for all involved.

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    I wonder if that Pima County Sheriff who has been giving press conferences... and talking about how he never was a proponent of "letting" anyone have a gun for any reason... realizes that the 2nd Amendment was put in the Bill of Rights to address those in positions of power with attitudes exactly like his?

    I also wonder why there is so much emphasis upon charging the criminal with charges concerning only the government officials and staff members who were shot... but little to no mention is being made of charges in relation to all the other ordinary citizen victims who were also shot?

    Sad to say there is so much tragedy and so much pain and sorrow surrounding this incident.... and all those in power can think about is furthering their agendas of gun control, shutting down free speech, and strengthening the distinction between the elite and the peasants by putting the entire House of Representatives on hold just in case they need to take action (what kind of "action"? could be possibly be needed?).
    Gun control isn't about the gun at all.... for those who want gun control it is all about their own fragile egos, their own lack of self esteem, their own inner fears, and most importantly... their own desire to dominate others. And an openly carried gun is a slap in the face to all of those things.

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    Just once I'd like to see one of these nutjobs use a steak knife instead of a gun. Would we then have a campaign to stop steak knife violence?

    Each distributor of steak knives would have to start Running NICS checks.

    BATF would become BATFK...

    Prices for steak knives would double...

    Steak knives (and handles) would require imprinted unique serial numbers...

    And then we could all sleep better at night...
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    Comments and views stated in my post are my own and do not necessarily represent the views of Michigan Open Carry, Inc. unless stated otherwise in the post.

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