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    The Gun is Civilization

    THIS IS THE BEST WORDED PRO-GUN ARGUMENT THAT I HAVE EVER READ. Very good article, from a Marine! ! ! ! Who knew they could write...lol

    As the Supreme Court hears arguments for and against the Chicago, IL, Gun Ban, I offer you another stellar example of a letter (written by a Marine), that places the proper perspective on what a gun means to a civilized society.

    Interesting take and one you don't hear much... Read this eloquent and profound letter and pay close attention to the last paragraph of the letter.....




    "The Gun Is Civilization"

    By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

    Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

    In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

    When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

    The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

    There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat - it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

    People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

    Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

    People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

    The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

    When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... And that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

    By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)

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    The end.
    "Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties."
    Abraham Lincoln

    "Some time ago, a bunch of lefties defied the law by dancing at the Jefferson Memorial, resulting in their arrests. Last week, a bunch of them pulled the same stunt and - using patented Lefist techniques - provoked the Park Police into having to use force to arrest them."
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    That man should be President.
    In God I trust. Everyone else needs to keep your hands where I can see them.

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    How can we get every Anti to read this letter.

    And thank you Major for your service.

    JJC

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    If memory serves me correct he also wrote a book.
    "To sin by silence, when we should protest makes cowards out of men."
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    We must contact our lawmakers today, tomorrow and the next day to remind them of Constitutional Carry.
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    I think I've read this before, but it is always good to reread things.
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

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    +1, +1, and +1
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    Yup!

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    No Maj.Caudill is the author of this.

    The letter was written by Marco Kloos and appeared on his blog. The Munchkin Wrangler, March 23, 2007
    http://munchkinwrangler.wordpress.co...-civilization/

    It is no less effective or meaningful, but should be attributed to the correct author.
    Last edited by Grapeshot; 01-09-2011 at 11:24 PM. Reason: fixed
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    Great article! Here is the original.....


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    [applause]
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    “The 1911 pistol remains the service pistol of choice in the eyes of those who understand the problem. Back when we audited the FBI academy in 1947, I was told that I ought not to use my pistol in their training program because it was not fair. Maybe the first thing one should demand of his sidearm is that it be unfair.” — Col. Jeff Cooper, GUNS & AMMO, January 2002

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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    I think I've read this before, but it is always good to reread things.
    Yes it is,Think you and I read this on the same site.

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    Well written sir! I second jpm's +1,+1,and +1!

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    Right on + 4
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJC View Post
    How can we get every Anti to read this letter.

    JJC
    They won't get it. With regard to the first sentence,
    Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force....Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.
    they'll say that there are other ways of dealing with one another - compassion, love, empathy, and so on- which may be somewhat true. But remember, they are already in denial. Some people are sheep, some people are wolves, and some people are sheepdogs.

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