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    Regular Member Thundar's Avatar
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    One Week until Lobby Day, still no VCDL Agenda

    I know that these things change often, but there is only one week left until lobby day.

    It would be nice to know what the agenda will be so we can discuss it and understand it.
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    There are some bills up now and I suspect Philip will either tell us VCDL's position on Thursday or post it on their site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundar View Post
    I know that these things change often, but there is only one week left until lobby day.

    It would be nice to know what the agenda will be so we can discuss it and understand it.
    I wish we could be like vermont, no permits needed to carry a gun(concealed), if your legal to own your legal to carry.
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    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
    If you don't support the Second Amendment to the Constitution, what other parts of the Constitution do you reject?
    More restrictions on guns? how about restrictions on chainsaws and knives?

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    34 Bills so far with the word "FIREARM" in them

    • HB216(show hits) ..Assault and battery against a family or household member; protective order, penal.. (1)
    • HB305(show hits) ..Voluntary admission; person admitted to facility for mental health treatment afte.. (5)
    • HB307(show hits) ..Involuntary temporary detention order; hearing after execution... (1)
    • HB822(show hits) ..Child support, etc.; single petition may be filed in juvenile & domestic relation.. (1)
    • HB867(show hits) ..Community services boards; removes provision allowing employment of certain perso.. (1)
    • HB995(show hits) ..Firearms; purchaser may present military identification card or concealed handgun.. (42)
    • HB1361(show hits) ..Computer & digital forensic services; exempt from regulation as a private securit.. (1)
    • HB1411(show hits) ..Reckless handling of firearms; revocation of hunting license... (7)
    • HB1422(show hits) ..Homestead exemptions; adds one family firearm, not to exceed $3,000 value, to lis.. (1)
    • HB1449(show hits) ..Methamphetamines; possession of certain substances with intent to manufacture, pe.. (2)
    • HB1471(show hits) ..Homestead and other exemptions; exemption of real or personal property... (1)
    • HB1478(show hits) ..Elections, State Board of; provides for hiring of Director... (1)
    • HB1516(show hits) ..Assault and battery; if person commits against ABC agent, guilty of Class 6 felon.. (1)
    • HB1552(show hits) ..Concealed handgun permits; amends language relating to issuance of de facto permi.. (19)
    • HB1575(show hits) ..Public schools; antibullying measures... (1)
    • SB22(show hits) ..Assault and battery; penalty when against fire marshals and assistant fire marsha.. (1)
    • SB84(show hits) ..Voluntary admission; person admitted to facility for mental health treatment afte.. (6)
    • SB85(show hits) ..Involuntary temporary detention order; hearing after execution... (1)
    • SB86(show hits) ..Voluntary admission; person admitted to facility for mental health treatment afte.. (5)
    • SB256(show hits) ..Driver's licenses & ID cards; documents required for renewal, etc., to be complia.. (1)
    • SB300S1(show hits) ..DUI; penalty for transporting person 18 years of age or younger... (1)
    • SB300(show hits) ..DUI; penalty for transporting person 18 years of age or younger... (1)
    • SB389(show hits) ..Juveniles; offenses for which juvenile is subject to transfer and trial as an adu.. (1)
    • SB588(show hits) ..Public transportation service; obstructing operation of transit vehicle is Class.. (1)
    • SB588S1(show hits) ..Public transportation service; obstructing operation of transit vehicle is Class.. (1)
    • SB604(show hits) ..Assault and battery; if person commits against ABC agent, guilty of Class 6 felon.. (1)
    • SB688(show hits) ..DUI; expands crimes for which officer may arrest without warrant to include drivi.. (1)
    • SB750(show hits) ..Uniform Adult Guardianship and Protective Proceedings Jurisdiction Act; establish.. (1)
    • SB754(show hits) ..Preliminary protective orders; purchase or transportation of firearms by persons.. (3)
    • SB755(show hits) ..Concealed handgun permits; disqualification for residential mental health or subs.. (19)
    • SB758(show hits) ..Preliminary protective orders; purchase or transportation of firearms by persons.. (3)
    • SB772(show hits) ..Assault and battery; penalty when against fire marshals and assistant fire marsha.. (1)
    • SB839(show hits) ..Homestead and other exemptions... (1)
    • SB850(show hits) ..Hunting on Sundays... (4)
    Carry On.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed View Post
    • HB216(show hits) ..Assault and battery against a family or household member; protective order, penal.. (1)
    • HB305(show hits) ..Voluntary admission; person admitted to facility for mental health treatment afte.. (5)
    • HB307(show hits) ..Involuntary temporary detention order; hearing after execution... (1)
    • HB822(show hits) ..Child support, etc.; single petition may be filed in juvenile & domestic relation.. (1)
    • HB867(show hits) ..Community services boards; removes provision allowing employment of certain perso.. (1)
    • HB995(show hits) ..Firearms; purchaser may present military identification card or concealed handgun.. (42)
    • HB1361(show hits) ..Computer & digital forensic services; exempt from regulation as a private securit.. (1)
    • HB1411(show hits) ..Reckless handling of firearms; revocation of hunting license... (7)
    • HB1422(show hits) ..Homestead exemptions; adds one family firearm, not to exceed $3,000 value, to lis.. (1)
    • HB1449(show hits) ..Methamphetamines; possession of certain substances with intent to manufacture, pe.. (2)
    • HB1471(show hits) ..Homestead and other exemptions; exemption of real or personal property... (1)
    • HB1478(show hits) ..Elections, State Board of; provides for hiring of Director... (1)
    • HB1516(show hits) ..Assault and battery; if person commits against ABC agent, guilty of Class 6 felon.. (1)
    • HB1552(show hits) ..Concealed handgun permits; amends language relating to issuance of de facto permi.. (19)
    • HB1575(show hits) ..Public schools; antibullying measures... (1)
    • SB22(show hits) ..Assault and battery; penalty when against fire marshals and assistant fire marsha.. (1)
    • SB84(show hits) ..Voluntary admission; person admitted to facility for mental health treatment afte.. (6)
    • SB85(show hits) ..Involuntary temporary detention order; hearing after execution... (1)
    • SB86(show hits) ..Voluntary admission; person admitted to facility for mental health treatment afte.. (5)
    • SB256(show hits) ..Driver's licenses & ID cards; documents required for renewal, etc., to be complia.. (1)
    • SB300S1(show hits) ..DUI; penalty for transporting person 18 years of age or younger... (1)
    • SB300(show hits) ..DUI; penalty for transporting person 18 years of age or younger... (1)
    • SB389(show hits) ..Juveniles; offenses for which juvenile is subject to transfer and trial as an adu.. (1)
    • SB588(show hits) ..Public transportation service; obstructing operation of transit vehicle is Class.. (1)
    • SB588S1(show hits) ..Public transportation service; obstructing operation of transit vehicle is Class.. (1)
    • SB604(show hits) ..Assault and battery; if person commits against ABC agent, guilty of Class 6 felon.. (1)
    • SB688(show hits) ..DUI; expands crimes for which officer may arrest without warrant to include drivi.. (1)
    • SB750(show hits) ..Uniform Adult Guardianship and Protective Proceedings Jurisdiction Act; establish.. (1)
    • SB754(show hits) ..Preliminary protective orders; purchase or transportation of firearms by persons.. (3)
    • SB755(show hits) ..Concealed handgun permits; disqualification for residential mental health or subs.. (19)
    • SB758(show hits) ..Preliminary protective orders; purchase or transportation of firearms by persons.. (3)
    • SB772(show hits) ..Assault and battery; penalty when against fire marshals and assistant fire marsha.. (1)
    • SB839(show hits) ..Homestead and other exemptions... (1)
    • SB850(show hits) ..Hunting on Sundays... (4)
    Any idea where VCDL stands on these Ed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Any idea where VCDL stands on these Ed?
    I was told the legislative agenda will be out this week.
    Carry On.

    Ed

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    I just got this from Philip:

    The first batch of gun bills is now on the Virginia General Assembly Legislative Services web site. This is the tip of the iceberg and we can expect many more to arrive later this week once the General Assembly is actually in session. As a result I will send updates during the week on the additional bills as they arrive.

    Here are the bills that VCDL is currently watching, what they do, and whether we support or oppose them. Some House Republicans and some Senate Democrats have come out swinging for our gun rights. With an election of both House and Senate coming this November, this could be an interesting session:

    HB 305 - Delegate Nutter - allows a person who has a CHP or who has current or retired military officer identification and who is purchasing an 'assault weapon' to be exempt from needing to prove citizenship (with a birth certificate, voter registration, passport, etc.) - VCDL Strongly Supports this bill

    HB 1411 - Delegate Wilt - limits the penalty for reckless handling of a firearm while hunting or trapping to a maximum of five years of prohibition from carrying while hunting/trapping, down from the current one year to LIFE prohibition. However, if the person then hunts during the prohibition period, they can be prohibited from carrying while hunting/trapping for one year to life, up from the current one to five additional years - VCDL Supports this bill

    HB 1422 - Delegate Albo - allows a person to keep one firearm of no more than $3,000 in value if they are subject to a creditor process (updates Virginia's Homestead laws) - VCDL Supports this bill

    HB 1471 - Delegate Cole- allows a person to keep one firearm for household use if they are subject to a creditor process (updates Virginia's Homestead laws) - VCDL Strongly Supports this bill

    HB 1552 - Delegate Cox, J. A. - specifies that the Circuit Court Clerk is to mail a certified concealed handgun permit application to serve as a temporary concealed handgun permit within 5 days of the expiration of the maximum 45-day application processing period - VCDL Strongly Supports this bill

    SB 754 - Senator Reynolds - is an improvement to current law dealing with abuse-based protective orders, which restrict purchase or transport of firearms. The bill would make such restrictions only after an ACTUAL FINDING of abuse (not just an accusation). However, the bill should be changed to require that the finding of abuse be made at an adjudicatory hearing (so that the order cannot be made "ex parte") - VCDL Supports, but would Strongly Support with suggested change

    SB 755 - Senator Reynolds - allows someone who has had mental health treatment or substance abuse treatment in a residential setting to petition the Court for restoration of a CHP before the current five year waiting period has expired - VCDL Strongly Supports this bill

    SB 757 - Senator Reynolds - allows someone on private property to be able to discharge an air gun as long as they have permission from the property owner to do so and reasonable care is taken to ensure the projectile does not cross the bounds of the property. Any local ordinances to the contrary, such as Fairfax County has, would be preempted - VCDL Strongly Supports this bill

    SB 758 - Senator Reynolds - is an improvement to current law dealing with abuse-based and neglect-based protective orders, which restrict purchase or transport of firearms. The bill would make such restrictions only after an actual finding of both abuse AND neglect (not just an accusation). However, it should be changed to require that the finding of abuse and neglect be made at an adjudicatory hearing (so that the order cannot be made "ex parte") - VCDL Supports, but would Strongly Support with suggested change

    SB 839 - Senator Petersen - allows a person to keep one firearm for household use if they are subject to a creditor process (updates Virginia's Homestead laws) - VCDL Strongly Supports this bill

    SB 850 - Senator Petersen - allows a person to hunt on Sundays - VCDL Strongly Supports this bill

    SJ 307 - Senator McEachen - Senate Joint Resolution which resolves that a Virginia Constitutional Amendment be made that allows NON-VIOLENT felons to get their voting rights back, BUT NOT THEIR FIREARMS RIGHTS BACK, upon completion of their sentence. VCDL Opposes this resolution as introduced because it specifically denies someone their Second Amendment rights, but would Strongly Support it if firearms rights would be restored, too



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    Update on Bills

    First a correction to the previous alert:

    HB 305 should have been HB 995:

    HB 995 - Delegate Nutter - allows a person who has a CHP or who has current or retired military officer identification and who is purchasing an 'assault weapon' to be exempt from needing to prove citizenship (with a birth certificate, voter registration, passport, etc.) - VCDL Strongly Supports this bill

    I have been getting several comments about this bill being discriminatory because it only exempts military officers and not rank-and-file members of the military. I believe the reason for the officers-only wording is that rank-and-file military members don't necessarily have to be U.S. citizens, but officers must.

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    Here are some new bills:

    HB 1600 - Delegate BaCote - a perennial bill that allows libraries to ban guns - VCDL Strongly Opposes this bill

    HB 1669 - Delegate McClellan - another perennial bill that closes the non-existent "gun show loophole." It is nothing but a thinly veiled attempt to destroy gun shows and register private firearms - VCDL Strongly Opposes this bill

    HB 1699 - Delegate Athey - cleans up conflicting/inconsistent wording dealing with a person who has been acquitted by reason of insanity from certain charges to petition to have his gun rights restored upon discharge from treatment - VCDL Supports this bill

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    My question on HB 995 is does "who has current or retired military officer identification" mean Rank as in Lt., Capt., Etc. or MP? Seams to ambiguous to me.
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    I think http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...111+sum+HB1438 is also of use. While it doesn't specifically call out firearms, it would apply.

    Castle Doctrine: http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...111+sum+HB1573

    This one was in previous thread, identify yourself: http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...111+sum+HB1574
    Last edited by nuc65; 01-10-2011 at 06:35 PM.

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