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    AZ Baptist Church is going to protest the funeral of 9 year old girl killed in AZ.

    The Westboro Baptist Church said Monday it plans to picket Thursday's funeral for Christina Taylor Green because "God sent the shooter to deal with idolatrous America.

    I found this on the USA Carry Web site tonight.

    This is really low.

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    Whiskey Tango Foxtrot is wrong with people ?

    Cant a family mourn the loss of a loved without
    some one harassing them?

    Starting to think some folks need to get out of the sun.

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    What a bunch of scumbags. Why do they have to pick the funeral of a child (or anyone for that matter) to spread their hate.

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    They called it off. Good thing for them they did.
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    The Westboro Baptist Church is out of Topeka Kansas, led by Fred Phelps and his daughter Shirley Phelps Roper. They are the same ones that hold up all this signs at funerals of soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines. Signs that say things like "Thank god for dead soldiers" and "Thanks got for IED's". Their idea is to get someone to attack them so that they can sue their attacker and use the money to keep spreading this kind of hate.

    The only reason this protest was called off is because the legislature quickly made it illegal to publicly protest any of the funerals. They didn't call it off, they were told that if they did show, they would all go to jail, even the kids.
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    well,,,,

    the church called off the protest because they were going to be
    outnumbered by about 100 to 1!!
    the freedom rider bikers and most of Tucson would have been
    there to shield the funeral from these wackos!

    I think the new law is a bad idea,
    it is a knee jerk, feel good, bird brained reaction.
    it is an unconstitutional violation of the 1st amendment,
    and very much like a proposed law to keep lawfully armed citizens
    1000 feet away from congressmen and judges!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    the church called off the protest because they were going to be
    outnumbered by about 100 to 1!!
    the freedom rider bikers and most of Tucson would have been
    there to shield the funeral from these wackos!

    I think the new law is a bad idea,
    it is a knee jerk, feel good, bird brained reaction.
    it is an unconstitutional violation of the 1st amendment,
    and very much like a proposed law to keep lawfully armed citizens
    1000 feet away from congressmen and judges!
    even though they called it off, they are still scum bags...need 200 guys with Base ball bats to end their protesting for good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    the church called off the protest because they were going to be
    outnumbered by about 100 to 1!!
    the freedom rider bikers and most of Tucson would have been
    there to shield the funeral from these wackos!

    I think the new law is a bad idea,
    it is a knee jerk, feel good, bird brained reaction.
    it is an unconstitutional violation of the 1st amendment,
    and very much like a proposed law to keep lawfully armed citizens
    1000 feet away from congressmen and judges!
    so if we have to stay 1000 ft. away, and the poop hits the fan, how exactly should we aid, assist or defend these people if they are under attack and need our help?

    some time back i had to stand at the edge of a school zone, and NOT enter, watching the bad guy, in the school zone get away clean. because i could do nothing, and could not enter there.
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    They called it off. They are a bunch of wackos. Watched a documentary on them once and it turns out that the "church" is basically a doomsday-watching family. They are almost all related to each other and the head guy is the father of many of the members.

    Although they're protected to do what they want, I've always wondered why cities just don't rent some giant stage speakers, drop them in front of these people and blast Amazing Graze at 135db.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    so if we have to stay 1000 ft. away, and the poop hits the fan, how exactly should we aid, assist or defend these people if they are under attack and need our help?

    some time back i had to stand at the edge of a school zone, and NOT enter, watching the bad guy, in the school zone get away clean. because i could do nothing, and could not enter there.
    You are SUPPOSED to call the police. Remember that they know better than you AND are only minutes away from responding and trying to figure out the problem. Get in line. Pay your taxes. Shut the h3ll up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender
    I think the new law is a bad idea,
    it is a knee jerk, feel good, bird brained reaction.
    it is an unconstitutional violation of the 1st amendment
    +1
    I think the "church" is whacky, the people filled with hate, and if there is an afterlife, and it is run like Christians think, then those people are going to be very very warm for a long time.

    HOWEVER...
    They're allowed to say (pretty much) whatever they want.

    Decent people are also allowed to stand between them & the funerals, as has happened in other places, and show up in such numbers that they're badly outnumbered & outclassed (that's not hard), & eventually turn tail & go home.
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    Please Change the Title of this Thread

    This group is not an Arizona church and has nothing to tie it to Arizona. Haven't we learned the pitfalls of intentionally or negligently slandering others by tying them to the despicable? You shouldn't be doing so, that's Sheriff Dipstick's job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    some time back i had to stand at the edge of a school zone, and NOT enter, watching the bad guy, in the school zone get away clean. because i could do nothing, and could not enter there.
    BUMMER McX - big time. The State and Federal GFSZ statutes are an absolute invitation to the creation of a "Free Kill Zone" for bad guys. Technically, under WI and Federal Law, a Wisconsin LEO, off duty, and armed, must also avoid the "Federal" GFSZ because under Federal Law ONLY states that issue concealed firearm permits based on a federal background check can authorize carry inside the Federal GFSZ - AND - only one State, Utah, actually has such a law.

    You guys know that I fully support "Constitutional Carry", but until and unless the Federal GFSZ statute is rescinded (not likely since it is a "feel good law"), WI needs an (optional) permit system based on a background check - AND - a WI Statute that exempts WI "permit holders" from the Federal Statute (based on the Federal Statute language). This is especially important in Urban areas where there are schools everywhere.

    I know that this is not a "popular" stance in this forum, but it is a practical stance until the Federal statute is repealed. Local District Attorneys may decline prosecution under the Federal Statute, but the "Feds" may wish to "make a point" when self-defense situations come up - and an otherwise law abiding Citizen of Wisconsin needs to defend himself / herself - or loved ones - within 1000 feet of a school.
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    From Montana

    45-8-360. Establishment of individual licensure. In consideration that the right to keep and bear arms is protected and reserved to the people in Article II, section 12, of the Montana constitution, a person who has not been convicted of a violent, felony crime and who is lawfully able to own or to possess a firearm under the Montana constitution is considered to be individually licensed and verified by the state of Montana within the meaning of the provisions regarding individual licensure and verification in the federal Gun-Free School Zones Act.
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...chool-Zone-law

    If Montana can do it, why not Wisconsin

    Also, link to Montana's firearms laws
    http://www.doj.mt.gov/enforcement/cr...ledweapons.asp

    http://www.mtssa.org/mtlaws.phtml?co...1%2C+342+M.C.A.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phred View Post
    Then by all means get that information to Wisconsin Legislators ! ! ! A S A P.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phred View Post
    Looks like that would work for me also, good find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalicoJack10 View Post
    The Westboro Baptist Church is out of Topeka Kansas, led by Fred Phelps and his daughter Shirley Phelps Roper. They are the same ones that hold up all this signs at funerals of soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines. Signs that say things like "Thank god for dead soldiers" and "Thanks got for IED's". Their idea is to get someone to attack them so that they can sue their attacker and use the money to keep spreading this kind of hate.
    Don't forget (although less relevant to this thread) what is perhaps one of their most famous slogans:


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    Angry God does not Hate anyone!

    God does not "hate" anything he has created.

    However, the idea of a church using the deaths of others to promote their hate-filled agenda is something that I, for one, would not not want to have to defend when Jesus judges us all.

    And, at the risk of getting hammered by comments from my more conservative Christian friends, I actually also believe that even homosexuals ( Gay, lesbian, Bi, Transgendered) have the right to personal self-protection guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the US Constitution.
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    Westboro Baptist Church Interview

    Interviews with these people are all over the internet, but I'll direct you to 1 interview that is local.

    One of my many projects includes something that took us to a location in the Milwaukee area that this church was protesting.

    We did a 3 part online video show which you can see here: http://www.youtube.com/doseofrealitytv

    In case you wish to research a bit more about this church, there website is here: http://www.godhatesfags.com

    If you wish to watch other videos, just search youtube for Westboro Baptist Church and you'll be amazed at what you can find.

    I think one of the funniest ones about them is this one with Michael Moore: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra_fAYl4Th4

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    Reminds me of whats-his-name that went on tv and said that 9/11 was gods punishment to America. The song "Prayer" by Disturbed is a direct rebuttal to these wackos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpm84092 View Post
    I actually also believe that even homosexuals ( Gay, lesbian, Bi, Transgendered) have the right to personal self-protection guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the US Constitution.
    How generous of you.

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    Question Indiscriminate pot-stirrer?

    Originally Posted by jpm84092 I actually also believe that even homosexuals ( Gay, lesbian, Bi, Transgendered) have the right to personal self-protection guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the US Constitution.
    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    How generous of you.
    By your tongue-lolling smiley, I'd say your comment was less than complimentary, marshaul. Are you looking to replace Spartacus as indiscriminate pot-stirrer? Just to give you a better target, when I grew up, sodomy was against the law and as far as I am concerned, it still should be. A perversion that a powerful special interest group figured out how to legalize is still a perversion. That said, I'll still stand up for their right to self-defense until the legal pendulum swings the other way and sodomy is again recognized as the depravity that it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davegran View Post
    Just to give you a better target, when I grew up, sodomy was against the law and as far as I am concerned, it still should be.
    By what right does Dave impose his definition of "perversion" on mutually-consenting adults who have forced nothing on nobody?

    And make no mistake, they are forcing nothing on you. You maintain your definition of "sodomy" as "perversion", do you not? You will not be placed in jail for not committing sodomy, will you? You are free to tell your associates your belief, are you not? The only thing "forced" on your is that you are no longer able to force people to not engage in sodomy using the force of law.

    However, were you to be forcing folks into jail for committing "sodomy", then the force would be squarely coming from your corner.

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    Bingo^^^^

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    maybe instead of picketing that poor girl's funeral, they should picket the jail that is holding the scumbag shooter.

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