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    Are women who carry viewed differently than men who carry?

    Are women who carry viewed differently than men who carry?
    Speak up ladies!!!

    Just curious here. Are women who carry OC or CC viewed differently than men?

    Do you get the same comments that us guys do? i.e. Are you called "gun nuts", "paranoid", "fanatics"? Or are you more well received as being " prepared, empowered, etc?
    Are you treated differently by LE?

    Guys, chime in too with your views.

    My thought is that women would be better recieved and not as much of a "threat" as a MWAG. (Just a guess, no proof behind my opinion.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolfrmn View Post
    Are women who carry viewed differently than men who carry?
    Speak up ladies!!!

    Just curious here. Are women who carry OC or CC viewed differently than men?

    Do you get the same comments that us guys do? i.e. Are you called "gun nuts", "paranoid", "fanatics"? Or are you more well recieved as being " prepared, empowered, etc?
    Are you treated differently by LE?

    Guys, chime in too with your views.

    My thought is that women would be better recieved and not as much of a "threat" as a MWAG. (Just a guess, no proof behind my opinion.)
    It's been my observation that women are looked on as protecting themselves while men are viewed as somewhat radical.
    That's a pretty broad statement and it really differs with everyone you meet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolfrmn View Post
    Are women who carry viewed differently than men who carry?
    Speak up ladies!!!

    Just curious here. Are women who carry OC or CC viewed differently than men?

    Do you get the same comments that us guys do? i.e. Are you called "gun nuts", "paranoid", "fanatics"? Or are you more well received as being " prepared, empowered, etc?
    Are you treated differently by LE?

    Guys, chime in too with your views.

    My thought is that women would be better recieved and not as much of a "threat" as a MWAG. (Just a guess, no proof behind my opinion.)
    I'm called "the gun nut" at work - where I cannot carry (on a military base in DC). Might have something to do with the GUNS SAVE LIVES button on my cubicle; the 1911-shaped business-card holder; the gun-depicting jewelry I often wear, or one of a dozen other reasons. I've never been addressed negatively by anyone while I was carrying, though, so I don't have a clue whether or not other women are treated differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tess View Post
    I'm called "the gun nut" at work - where I cannot carry (on a military base in DC). Might have something to do with the GUNS SAVE LIVES button on my cubicle; the 1911-shaped business-card holder; the gun-depicting jewelry I often wear, or one of a dozen other reasons. I've never been addressed negatively by anyone while I was carrying, though, so I don't have a clue whether or not other women are treated differently.
    Very Cool!! I too work on base (Belvoir). I feel naked without my pistol driving to, from & while at work. Sux!!

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    I view (look at) women differently than men no matter what they are carrying. If they have a firearm, they're my kind of lady. I always liked Annie Oakley.
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    If they're pretty I'd try to get another look, but staring might be kind of rude.

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    Well I had one guy question wether I had the moxy or whatever to actually use the gun for self defense and to have to kill. He insinuated that I might freeze up or something. He's not an anti gunner. I was a bit insulted and told him so. He sorta changed the subject.

    There is a lady I have known all my life, good friend of my mother, who is a typical myopic MDer/Baltimoron and is a Quaker to boot. She is very liberal and doesn't really follow the news so she really doesn't know what all is going on. She and her husband and sometimes her son etc, come up to eat with us in PA every other saturday or so. She never says anything, but she does give me this disaproving look now and then. Her husband is Brazilian and a bit of a nut who will talk incessantly about BS, and ever since I open carried a couple times in public in his presence he has started to tell his BS stories pertaining to me OCing, which is pretty hilarious. He says that people were looking at me and asking eachother if there was a need to worry and one would say " I think it's ok, don't worry", and that a guy working at the Chinese place pulled this big long knife out and set it on a ledge used by the wait/bus staff, or that someone had the bug eyes. But he hasn't said to me that I shouldn't carry the gun or anything- he must be scared to LOL. I haven't noticed anyone staring or bug eyed either, in fact most people seem to not notice/care when I OC.

    I got 1 compliment from a man too, a total stranger, who said " oh I see you carry" and asked about the type of gun or something.

    I've OC'd many many times at the taxidermy shop, and no one really cares, but when it's bought up it makes for fine conversations. Most of my customers are male. They are hunters and gun people anyway. The ones who are more fudd-like don't really say anything. I do joke if it is mentioned in an odd way- I tell them that since I started wearing it all the time that the foxes have stopped attacking my chickens and it is like an anti fox device LOL.

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    why do we need to categorize

    Everyone of us is different... why do people need to fit everything into a nice neat package?? Every woman is different and some women carry...every man is different and some don't carry... kumbaya

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    if i see a girl carrying a gun, i always think; now there's a chick that aint gonna take any crap. i'm not threatened by it, unless her gun is nicer than mine heh-heh.

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    It's a reasonable question to address. Unfortunately most young women seem more concerned about their attractiveness than their safety in public. Also of concern is the "duffle bag" purse fad which constitutes nothing less than purse-snatching bait.

    If I had my way it would be "legal" (which it is according to the 2A) for ALL law-abiding women (and men) to carry guns 24/7 - CC - as in "constitutional carry".

    I've had several LEO's tell me straight-up that they would not charge any "respectable" woman for carrying a handgun on her person for protection, and I think that view point is still strongly represented among LEO's.

    That's an interesting angle given we are generally critical of LEO's "making up their own Law", but I think that's just a sign that good old common sense is still alive and well.

    The "gun-nut" male vs the "smart" female measure is pretty accurate - at least at the present time. Hopefully in time that perception will dissipate. The perceived level of vunerability of a person male or female is going to be a factor. All gun laws in general are supposed to be intended TO PREVENT CRIME, and women are more vunerable to predatory violent offenders than men - on average.

    I am personally comforted by the sight of any "normal" everyday person going about their business with a visible holstered handgun attached - and all the more so when they are females.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rushcreek2 View Post
    I've had several LEO's tell me straight-up that they would not charge any "respectable" woman for carrying a handgun on her person for protection, and I think that view point is still strongly represented among LEO's.

    I find that comment disgusting and offensive...

    In other words, they wouldn't mess with any woman who looked like she could afford a lawyer to sue them for violating her rights by harassing her for carrying.

    That is perhaps the most racist and classist statement I've heard on the topic of female OC...

    How do they define "respectable"? I imagine it means upper-middle-class, white, and well-dressed.

    What if a woman was 24, black, and dressed in jeans and a t-shirt? What if she was a poor hispanic woman? What if she was white, lived in a trailer park, and drove an old beat-up Chevy Cavalier?

    Fundamental Human Rights are NOT predicated on economic class or political connections. Just because a cop doesn't like the looks of someone does NOT give them the right to violate their civil rights--being poor or non-white is NOT probable cause, or even RAS...

    If I ever heard an LEO say something like that, it would be the last time I ever had anything to do with that person, and I would then be taking my recording of their comments to the DA, and the local newspapers and TV stations...
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    At least women don't have to defend against the old "compensating for something" argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebobby View Post
    At least women don't have to defend against the old "compensating for something" argument.
    I've seen several responses to what happened to MKEgal that would say otherwise.
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    I bet a middle-aged white woman can get away with a lot more than the average male with cops. If I got caught carrying a concealed weapon, my butt would be hauled off to jail, but a middle-aged white woman giving a sob story might get off with a warning and a lecture on the CHP process. I'd be willing to bet that most cops are easier on women than men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattwestm View Post
    I bet a middle-aged white woman can get away with a lot more than the average male with cops. If I got caught carrying a concealed weapon, my butt would be hauled off to jail, but a middle-aged white woman giving a sob story might get off with a warning and a lecture on the CHP process. I'd be willing to bet that most cops are easier on women than men.
    While you're probably right, that idea that a middle-aged woman would choose to pull a "sob story" out of her bra instead of taking whatever is coming to here is an anathema to me. Women who use "sob stories" perpetuate stereotypes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rushcreek2 View Post
    The "gun-nut" male vs the "smart" female measure is pretty accurate - at least at the present time.
    I concur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beebobby View Post
    At least women don't have to defend against the old "compensating for something" argument.
    Well in my experience, I am not nearly as physically strong as the majority of males that I have come across. Therefore, a gun makes me feel safer that I can defend myself if the need arises.
    Personally, I don't see a difference between a man and women carrying, but I know several people that either think a woman is not capable of handling a gun or others who seem to think that men don't need protection like women do which would be why they see it as empowering for women.

    ETA: Also it's not so much that I don't agree with CC, but it is hard to conceal a gun with my wardrobe. I have to buy bigger shirts, higher or looser pant (for ankle holster), or bigger jackets (for shoulder holster), and to put it in a pocket? Forget about, I have yet to find any jeans that would allow that without the top peeking out of the pocket and it would be a PITA to get out quickly. I signed the petition and plan on writing to my state rep.
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    Good post Alexandria and welcome to the forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Good post Alexandria and welcome to the forum.
    Thank you! I am glad I have found a place where I see views parallel to my own. A family member told me that once I start carrying I can't bring a gun into their house so I told them I guess they will be visiting from now on because I am sure the criminals will respect their wishes too **sarcasm**. I took the class today for my concealed weapon and sent off my packet so I am just waiting for my permit. But this is something a long time coming, because I have been wanting to get my permit for awhile. I feel that having a gun at home is not enough in the current environment that we live it.

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    I strongly desire for more women to carry and have the attitude of self preservation you do. In my observations women tend to be "victims" of crime much more often than men.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    I strongly desire for more women to carry and have the attitude of self preservation you do. In my observations women tend to be "victims" of crime much more often than men.
    Thank you. I have to agree with you because many people see women as being more vulnerable. Although, I have absolutely no problem shooting and killing someone if it is down to my life or theirs. It is that "macho" attitude. lol.
    That's why in fact I hope to relocate to an OC state, because I feel that people seeing a gun will deter crime more than having it concealed in case I actually need it to defend. Plus, playing with holsters to see how I can conceal it is annoying. Men have it so much easier when it comes to concealing it *sigh*.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandria View Post
    Thank you. I have to agree with you because many people see women as being more vulnerable. Although, I have absolutely no problem shooting and killing someone if it is down to my life or theirs. It is that "macho" attitude. lol.
    That's why in fact I hope to relocate to an OC state, because I feel that people seeing a gun will deter crime more than having it concealed in case I actually need it to defend. Plus, playing with holsters to see how I can conceal it is annoying. Men have it so much easier when it comes to concealing it *sigh*.
    I think my favorite response to "why do you carry" is simply that criminals prey on the weak and unprotected. When they see me carrying a gun, they know I'm neither.

    As a middle-aged, fat woman, I could be easy prey. But I refuse to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tess View Post
    I think my favorite response to "why do you carry" is simply that criminals prey on the weak and unprotected. When they see me carrying a gun, they know I'm neither.

    As a middle-aged, fat woman, I could be easy prey. But I refuse to be.
    Absolutely. Another woman that I know told me she carries a hunting knife for protection. But i feel that I don't want to get close enough to someone to stab them plus there is a chance that they could pin me and turn that knife on me.

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    yes. They are sexier

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    A woman is definitely less likely to provoke an aggressive, confrontational reaction, IMHO. With a guy carrying, there are some males who perceive the open sight of a weapon as threatening to their masculinity, ("What, do you have to make up for a tiny _____" etc.). Most of them have infantile personalities themselves.

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