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    It looks like SC is considering CC?!?!?!

    http://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess119_...bills/3292.htm

    So.... WI, what's up?

    AK, VT and AZ have it. UT, KY and SC are considering it.

    Let's GO!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul@paul-fisher.com View Post
    http://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess119_...bills/3292.htm

    So.... WI, what's up?

    AK, VT and AZ have it. UT, KY and SC are considering it.

    Let's GO!!!!!!
    Words well spoken, I could not agree more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul@paul-fisher.com View Post
    http://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess119_...bills/3292.htm

    So.... WI, what's up?

    AK, VT and AZ have it. UT, KY and SC are considering it.

    Let's GO!!!!!!
    I think TN, MT, and TX have been consindering Constitutional Carry as well.
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    I have a friend that works at the JD distillery, and he said that he has been reading that TN is quietly discussing CC. Not that it will do him any good at work since they have federally bonded warehouses. But as far as Wisconsin goes.......................

    Until recently it was kinda like teaching a monkey to read, sure you can do it, but when you have 15 people screaming at the monkey, it will never really happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul@paul-fisher.com View Post
    http://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess119_...bills/3292.htm

    So.... WI, what's up?

    AK, VT and AZ have it. UT, KY and SC are considering it.

    Let's GO!!!!!!
    What does this acronym signify?
    Last edited by Citizen; 01-16-2011 at 03:15 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalicoJack10 View Post
    I have a friend that works at the JD distillery, and he said that he has been reading that TN is quietly discussing CC. Not that it will do him any good at work since they have federally bonded warehouses. But as far as Wisconsin goes.......................

    Until recently it was kinda like teaching a monkey to read, sure you can do it, but when you have 15 people screaming at the monkey, it will never really happen.
    Why would a federally bonded warehouse prevent him from carrying?
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    Quote Originally Posted by citizen View Post
    what does this acronym signify?
    lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul@paul-fisher.com View Post
    http://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess119_...bills/3292.htm

    So.... WI, what's up?

    AK, VT and AZ have it. UT, KY and SC are considering it.

    Let's GO!!!!!!
    Way to go SC - now, if we can get this information to Wisconsin legislators it is one more brick on the pile to show that CC is the way to go (with an optional permit system for those who wish to travel to other States or enter a Federal Gun Free School Zone). - Sorry, but CC does not eliminate the Federal GFSZ regulation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    What does this acronym signify?
    CC (an initialism, not an acronym) would be concealed carry. However to the Opencarriati, it is "constitutional carry" - which has almost as many definitions as it does supporters. Some claiming the right to carry anything, anytime, anywhere, by anybody. I think they should change to ConstCar (a true acronym) or something else to avoid confusion. Any ideas? 2ACarry, MaxCarry, Harry Caray? Holy Cow! Cubs Win! Cubs Win!

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    Quote Originally Posted by apjonas View Post
    CC (an initialism, not an acronym) would be concealed carry. However to the Opencarriati, it is "constitutional carry" - which has almost as many definitions as it does supporters. Some claiming the right to carry anything, anytime, anywhere, by anybody. I think they should change to ConstCar (a true acronym) or something else to avoid confusion. Any ideas? 2ACarry, MaxCarry, Harry Caray? Holy Cow! Cubs Win! Cubs Win!
    I believe Citizen was being silly. If you notice, he highlighted my capitalization of the word GO. He also had a (stick out tongue) and (smile) emotion. I believe he was referring to a thread I had started in the Vermont forum where I used the abbreviation VT asking a question and someone took me to task because they 'assumed' I meant Virginia Tech (In a Vermont forum).

    Or I could be reading stuff into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul@paul-fisher.com View Post
    I believe Citizen was being silly. If you notice, he highlighted my capitalization of the word GO. He also had a (stick out tongue) and (smile) emotion. I believe he was referring to a thread I had started in the Vermont forum where I used the abbreviation VT asking a question and someone took me to task because they 'assumed' I meant Virginia Tech (In a Vermont forum).

    Or I could be reading stuff into it.
    You're pretty close. I was being silly about the OP in this thread. It is all full of initialisms. There are almost as many initialisms as whole words.

    Sorry. Seeing so many initialisms packed into one post, I couldn't resist being silly.

    Of course, it wouldn't have worked if you had not used all caps for the last word.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jpm84092
    CC does not eliminate the Federal GFSZ regulation.
    If they do it right it does.
    IIRC, Montana (?) has a state law worded something like:
    For the purposes of the Federal GFSZ Act, all residents of the State are hereby considered to be licensed to carry (may specifically say guns or concealed weapons) if they are over 18 (not sure- may be 21) and have not been convicted of a felony or adjudicated mentally incompetent.
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    Hi MKE Gal,

    I was not aware of that Montana Law.

    IF - WI were to enact similar legislation, that might be a way to get beyond the Federal GFSZ law, but I suspect it might still need to be "tested in the courts".

    As you wrote: "if they do it right". However, I do not see a reference to the federally required "background check". So, it may indeed take a "test in the courts" to sort that one out.
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    Let's put it here, too

    From Montana

    45-8-360. Establishment of individual licensure. In consideration that the right to keep and bear arms is protected and reserved to the people in Article II, section 12, of the Montana constitution, a person who has not been convicted of a violent, felony crime and who is lawfully able to own or to possess a firearm under the Montana constitution is considered to be individually licensed and verified by the state of Montana within the meaning of the provisions regarding individual licensure and verification in the federal Gun-Free School Zones Act.
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...chool-Zone-law

    If Montana can do it, why not Wisconsin

    Also, link to Montana's firearms laws
    http://www.doj.mt.gov/enforcement/cr...ledweapons.asp

    http://www.mtssa.org/mtlaws.phtml?co...1%2C+342+M.C.A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phred View Post
    Let's put it here, too

    From Montana



    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...chool-Zone-law

    If Montana can do it, why not Wisconsin

    Also, link to Montana's firearms laws
    http://www.doj.mt.gov/enforcement/cr...ledweapons.asp

    http://www.mtssa.org/mtlaws.phtml?co...1%2C+342+M.C.A.
    There we go! No license needed. I asked the same on the VT forum and so far the only response I have received is that they just 'trust' that the Feds won't charge someone without an additional crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul@paul-fisher.com View Post
    There we go! No license needed. I asked the same on the VT forum and so far the only response I have received is that they just 'trust' that the Feds won't charge someone without an additional crime.
    Paul, I am not so sure I "trust the feds" that much. I "get it" about the additional crime, but still, depending on the "party in power" on the federal level, this is not a good thing. My house in WI is in a rural area, but my family lives in Janesville where one must be very careful to avoid a Federal GFSZ, especially considering that under the Federal definition, there are a multitude of Churches that operate a "Sunday School" that meets the Federal definition of a parochial school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpm84092 View Post
    Paul, I am not so sure I "trust the feds" that much. I "get it" about the additional crime, but still, depending on the "party in power" on the federal level, this is not a good thing. My house in WI is in a rural area, but my family lives in Janesville where one must be very careful to avoid a Federal GFSZ, especially considering that under the Federal definition, there are a multitude of Churches that operate a "Sunday School" that meets the Federal definition of a parochial school.
    That is fines, however, we can do what MT has done. Also, WCI is challenging the Federal GFSZ in court as we speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul@paul-fisher.com View Post
    That is fines, however, we can do what MT has done. Also, WCI is challenging the Federal GFSZ in court as we speak.
    +1 - Let's hope that suit prevails.
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