I do not believe that you are actually required to have your weapon concealed when you have a concealed carry permit, if someone can state any part of the regulation that says that you have to have your weapon concealed then post it so we can all see, as per my personal discussions with the D.A.s office in New Orleans I was told that legally you do not have to conceal, I could be wrong and would be glad to admit it if anyone can post any part of the regulation that specifically says that.
Correct, there is no requirement to conceal merely because you possess a CHP.
Why dont you "cite" the regulation that backs up your statement? Where is your proof that a concealed permit is not "useful" when open carrying?
Um, it's the
lack of any regulation containing requirements for a CHP to OC that is the basis for my claim. You know, the whole "if there's no law against it, then it's not illegal" line of logic that most of the legal system operates on.
First off, it's a
Concealed Handgun Permit. See
RS 40:1379.3 if you have any doubts as to what it applies to. Tell me where that applies to an unconcealed (i.e. openly carried) firearm.
My advice was not to you, it was to the person who originally started the post, why dont you just post your advice if your so knowledgeable on the subject and the person who started the post can decide which way to go. Having several different view points never hurts. If you think that you can open carry with no identification and then not comply with a request by a law enforcement official for identification then be my guest and see what happens, on the other hand if I believe a law enforcement official has violated my rights I will hire an attorney to handle the problem in an appropriate manner.
So you can present one of those "several different view points", but I can't? I've got a revelation for you: this is an Internet forum, open for all to participate in (subject to the owners' rules, of course). That means that if you post an opinion, put on your big boy panties and be prepared for some criticism and questions about your statement(s). If you can't take the heat, well... it sucks to be you.
And yes, I
know I can OC with no identification, because
unless there is a law requiring me to present physical ID when detained,
I am not required to do so. Open Carry is not a licensed activity, unlike driving a motor vehicle. Are you required to carry an ID while taking an (unarmed) walk up your street? Why would adding another non-licensed activity (OC) be any different? If you find a law that states I must carry and present ID at any request by an LEO, then please post the reference.
Third, you're leaving out something critical in your statement about LEO requests/orders. We most definitely must comply with
lawful orders. But
unlawful orders, by their very nature of being unlawful, have
zero force of law!
You people that have so much big talk about how your not going to "kowtow" do exactly the same thing everyone else does when a law enforcement officer confronts you...you do what you are asked to do, you know it and I know it so dont pretend your some kind of superhero freedom fighter. If you want to mislead someone into thinking that they can run around with an unconcealed weapon and no identification and that they can refuse to follow a request from a law enforcement officer then go right ahead, I wont try to stop you.
I'm SO glad you can tell me everything about myself. I'd be lost without a mind-reader like you.
If an officer detains me and issues an
unlawful request/order, then I will not
consent. I will state "I do not consent, but I will not resist." See how that works? I'm not resisting (so any charges of resisting won't stick), and I will be quite polite, but I do
not consent, so everyone is quite clear on the fact that it is an illegal order and it leaves no doubt when I follow up with a lawsuit over the violation of my rights. There are several threads already on this topic that cover it with more detail in the main sections of OCDO, so I won't belabor the point. But you need to realize that there are indeed methods of handling an LEO encounter somewhere in between aggressive resistance and meek submission.
