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    OT: Flashlights as a defensive tool

    I came across a Maglite XL100 this weekend that I've been looking for, which got my wife & I to talking... she's interested in a flashlight as another "everyday" defensive too. Like most of us, she can't carry at work (even pepper spray, etc), and she's legitimately concerned about some kind of confrontation while there (think the "disgruntled former employee" scenario). She can't be faulted for carrying a flashlight, it's a handy thing to have around in any case.

    So what's everyone carry far as that goes? Strobe vs really-friggin-bright? Price? I'd like to find something under $100, and fairly compact. I'm not sure how I like the Maglite right now, it's got some cool features, but you have to be able to see in order to select them, which kinda defeats the purpose of a flashlight.
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    I bought my wife the Coast P7. 200 lumens, bright enough to blind someone temporarily and hard enough she can hit with it. AMazon has it for $65 right now.

    http://www.amazon.com/Coast-Lenser-H...5232734&sr=8-1

    I use a Surefire E2D Executive Defender. it's the older one. The newer one is LED and much brighter. However, I like mine and am confident it will get the job done when necessary. It is well over your $100 range mentioned though.
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    Look at this. More money however you get what you pay for.
    http://www.surefire.com/E2DL

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    Quote Originally Posted by phone guy View Post
    Look at this. More money however you get what you pay for.
    http://www.surefire.com/E2DL
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    There ya go...

    http://www.maglite.com/product.asp?psc=6DCELL

    That's about as defensive as your going to get.

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    Size, lumens and cost...

    So, your Maglite XL100 has about 83 lumens
    http://www.maglite.com/maglite_xl100_led.asp

    For self defense you are now looking for at least 120-200 lumens. With modern technology you should be paying around $70-$120 for a flashlight with this much power.

    Although you can get those <$30 specials from your local drugstore they are typically not rated (lumens) and are really not appropriate for self defense. Great for a flashlight.

    All flashlight manufacturers comes in different designs (how focused the light is, etc) from size to power.

    You'll have to know what size (really small to more compact models to more mid size to larger head designs).

    All those features are nice (tacticool) but for a self defense light... keep it simple (KISS method).

    We just wrapped up a low light shoot (Saturday) and another factor is if you carry and have a light is to practice shooting with a light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phone guy View Post
    Look at this. More money however you get what you pay for.
    http://www.surefire.com/E2DL
    Quote Originally Posted by Ruby View Post
    This is what I carry.
    I have a couple of these....
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    Quote Originally Posted by FMCDH View Post
    http://www.maglite.com/product.asp?psc=6DCELL

    That's about as defensive as your going to get.
    Heh, I believe I also asked about something compact & lightweight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    Heh, I believe I also asked about something compact & lightweight
    Its all relative.

    Besides, pound for pound, it gives the most "pound" for the buck I believe.

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    well,,,

    i just bought 900 lumen, hi, low, strobe from costco, on line, pack of two, 114$ delivered, look it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldkim View Post
    So, your Maglite XL100 has about 83 lumens
    http://www.maglite.com/maglite_xl100_led.asp

    For self defense you are now looking for at least 120-200 lumens. With modern technology you should be paying around $70-$120 for a flashlight with this much power.

    Although you can get those <$30 specials from your local drugstore they are typically not rated (lumens) and are really not appropriate for self defense. Great for a flashlight.

    All flashlight manufacturers comes in different designs (how focused the light is, etc) from size to power.

    You'll have to know what size (really small to more compact models to more mid size to larger head designs).

    All those features are nice (tacticool) but for a self defense light... keep it simple (KISS method).

    We just wrapped up a low light shoot (Saturday) and another factor is if you carry and have a light is to practice shooting with a light.
    Thanks, that's the kind of breakdown I was looking for. I'm not seeing much in the price range with a strobe feature, is it really worth it, or should I focus more on "burn holes thru the back of your skull" bright?

    How bout places to shop for lights? Tried Wholesale Sports yesterday and they were kinda limited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FMCDH View Post
    Its all relative.

    Besides, pound for pound, it gives the most "pound" for the buck I believe.
    My wife doesn't even like to schlep her HiPoint 9mm. Somehow I doubt a 10lb flashlight would ever leave the house
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    I have and carry daily a Surefire 6PDL. It's good, but the batteries need to be kept fresh or else its output is marginal for affecting others.

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    The Lumaforce LF-1 @ lumaforce.com is rated at 300 lumens and has been on sale for quite a while now for $39,95. I bought one and I can assure you it will get the job done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marshaul View Post
    I have and carry daily a Surefire 6PDL. It's good, but the batteries need to be kept fresh or else its output is marginal for affecting others.
    Heh, just looked at their website.... screw the flashlights, I want their 100-round AR mags!
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    Giving my vote to the Fenix l2d / ld20.

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    I forgot about this guy who is at the WAC gun shows. He has the best lights for the money. He also has close out models. Email him to see if he will be at the next gun show. http://www.pts-flashlights.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    Heh, just looked at their website.... screw the flashlights, I want their 100-round AR mags!
    LOL I didn't even know about those. Elite! I might buy a few in the near future, depending how things go.

    Too bad I still need an AR to put them in.

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    huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    i just bought 900 lumen, hi, low, strobe from costco, on line, pack of two, 114$ delivered, look it up.
    did anyone even stop and read this post about flashlights at cosco?
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    Take a look here:

    http://combatoptical.com/catalog/3W-...combo-416.html

    I bought one of their flashlights recently and was pleasantly surprised with the quality. The argument of "you get what you pay for" works up to a point. The LED's are pretty much a commodity now as well as batteries. The body is machined aluminum. When you start paying for a "Big Name, Advertising/Marketing, and "Prestige" then you aren't necessarily getting more for the $$.

    As for a flashlight alone as a defensive tool is limited. Distracting or disorienting is possible but an armed person, even blinded can still shoot.

    Somehow the only "flash" I prefer is "Muzzle Flash". As for an office or work environment, I knew a woman where I worked who always carried a letter-opener wherever she went in the office. That's all it was, an old fashioned, long bladed, letter opener, with a blade about 7" long. Looked like a stilletto without the fancy handle. I sure wouldn't want to get "poked" with it.
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    My local "Batteries Plus" store has some tactical style flashlights sitting on the counter. 220 lumens max.
    adjustable power from 220,110 and 22 lumens also has SOS and strobe effect. takes 3 AAA batteries.
    $29.99 + tax. I haven't had any problems with mine, and batteries last awhile.
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    Surefire has some models that around the lens it has some metal that was designed to be a "DNA sampler" if you will they're ultra-bright but they aren't exactly the kind of blunt-force trauma type of weapon you'd see in a maglite. much smaller, but they're great

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinchesterModel12 View Post
    My local "Batteries Plus" store has some tactical style flashlights sitting on the counter. 220 lumens max.
    adjustable power from 220,110 and 22 lumens also has SOS and strobe effect. takes 3 AAA batteries.
    $29.99 + tax. I haven't had any problems with mine, and batteries last awhile.
    Couple of neat features with these. One is that they work pretty good. Second is that you don't cry as much if your $100+++ "Big Namer" gets run over by a car or dropped in the lake. Also, the AAA batteries are waaaaay cheaper than the "123's" that the others take.
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    Ultrafire

    Our Search and Rescue team got a dozen Ultrafire WF-501B (generic Surefire) for about $13 a piece on Flea-bay. SureFire makes quality gear, but I think they are WAY overpriced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    did anyone even stop and read this post about flashlights at cosco?
    The reviews on it could be better.

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