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May have to become a birther after all.

zack991

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This thing should have been nipped in the butt day one when this become a birther conspiracy. Its easy, Show your birth certificate that has the witness and doctor signature and not the stupid COB. Now I am no birther, but the fact that the White House has been working hard to keep anything from being released and having his records sealed. Now it does not make this nuttiness true, but its certainly making a hell of a lot of smoke where they could have put the flames out from day one. Now there is "we cant find his records" makes it even worse. JUST RELEASE THE BLOODY RECORDS ALREADY. The more they keep spending millions fighting the release of any records makes me wounder if hes not trying to hide where he was "truly" born, than what the hell are they afraid of.
 
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NRAMARINE

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What did he spend to keep from showing it? 2 million? I can walk 15 feet from where I'm sitting and get the original birth certificates for my entire family out of my gun safe.

I think he doth protest too much.
 

markand

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This issue should have been easy to refute...

but he hasn't, or he can't, or he won't. Not sure what's going on, but its hard not to believe there's something wrong with his history. Was it simply a records problem? HI was a brand new state in the early 1960's and has had a reputation for thumbing its nose at regulations and paperwork. He's trying too hard to conceal his birth records as well as college records, leading to suspicion that he may have claimed at one time to be a foreign national in order to secure college money that could only be claimed by a foreign national. If that were true, it would probably be felony fraud, not to mention major political fodder. There are indications that one or more states will enact strict documentation review before a candidate's name can be put on the state's ballot. It would only take a few of those to deny him enough votes to win in 2012, if he even decides to run.

Not sure we'll ever know for sure, although the longer this goes on, the less crazy the birthers appear to be.
 

CenTex

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...an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives..."

When does an "unspecified listing or noting" take the place of an actual birth certificate? That "list or note" could have been introduced at any time...even just prior to the interview...or later.

This mess stinks to high heaven.

It has caused me to become a birther, and I am not embarrassed to admit it.


 
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Beretta92FSLady

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I am not sure how it works for everyone else, but my original birth certificate was lost, and so all I can get now is a copy of it, well, an official copy. I was born in Washington state. maybe I could get the original from somewhere, but where!

He's an American. If he wasn't, we would have something solid out by now. President Obama has been cleared, get over it.
 
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MKEgal

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oh, good grief!

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
From the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania
Includes 5 photos in the text, with links to 9.

More discussion, including a reminder that his mother was an American citizen, so he automatically is, no matter where he was born.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html

An interesting analysis of how tampering would show up (but hasn't):
http://xenon.arcticus.com/barack-obama-birth-certificate-image-tampering-analysis

Here's Snopes, though many 'birthers' think they're part of the Great Conspiracy:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
The reference 9 articles.

Or you could do your own Google:
["barack obama" "birth certificate" scan]
 

Northerner

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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
From the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania
Includes 5 photos in the text, with links to 9.

More discussion, including a reminder that his mother was an American citizen, so he automatically is, no matter where he was born.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html

An interesting analysis of how tampering would show up (but hasn't):
http://xenon.arcticus.com/barack-obama-birth-certificate-image-tampering-analysis

Here's Snopes, though many 'birthers' think they're part of the Great Conspiracy:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
The reference 9 articles.

Or you could do your own Google:
["barack obama" "birth certificate" scan]

The only truth I'll believe is an American proudly showing his/her Birth Certificate or official copy of said person, whom is running for a United States Office, when requested by his/her constituents.
 
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marshaul

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The only truth I'll believe is an American proudly showing his/her Birth Certificate or official copy of said person, whom is running for a United States Office, when requested by his/her constituents.

So if he held up a piece of paper -- one which could easily be an indiscernible fake -- in front of a bunch of cameras, you would be satisfied? Or maybe you expect him to invite all birthers to his office, one at a time, to satisfy their whims, so they can not vote for him anyway?

Come on. What other candidate has been expected to parade their personal documents around before assuming office? The issue has been investigated with authority (there is ample evidence to this), and determined to be a non-issue.

The man has already assumed office. No court is going to touch the issue at this point. It's done -- even if the whole thing was some grand hoax. At this point we would be advised to focus our energies on the real and relevant, not.... this.
 

eye95

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This thing should have been nipped in the butt day one when this become a birther conspiracy. Its easy, Show your birth certificate that has the witness and doctor signature and not the stupid COB. Now I am no birther, but the fact that the White House has been working hard to keep anything from being released and having his records sealed. Now it does not make this nuttiness true, but its certainly making a hell of a lot of smoke where they could have put the flames out from day one. Now there is "we cant find his records" makes it even worse. JUST RELEASE THE BLOODY RECORDS ALREADY. The more they keep spending millions fighting the release of any records makes me wounder if hes not trying to hide where he was "truly" born, than what the hell are they afraid of.

They're covering up something. I don't know what it is. Maybe it is that he was born outside the US. May be it is something else. But, either way, they are covering something up.
 
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eye95

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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
From the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania
Includes 5 photos in the text, with links to 9.

More discussion, including a reminder that his mother was an American citizen, so he automatically is, no matter where he was born.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html

An interesting analysis of how tampering would show up (but hasn't):
http://xenon.arcticus.com/barack-obama-birth-certificate-image-tampering-analysis

Here's Snopes, though many 'birthers' think they're part of the Great Conspiracy:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
The reference 9 articles.

Or you could do your own Google:
["barack obama" "birth certificate" scan]

The document they are using is not the actual birth certificate. The actual birth certificate is filled out at the time of birth by the folks present at the birth. It is a first-hand account. It is a primary source.

The document they are calling a birth certificate is an attestation that someone wrote that someone said that someone was born. It is third-hand at best. If Obama were born when and where he claims, someone filled out an actual birth certificate and filed it with the State of Hawaii. That would PROVE American birth.

As I said earlier, I don't know whether he was born in the US or not. The purported "birth certificate" they keep posting PROVES nothing. I don't know what they are hiding by not releasing the birth certificate produced on the scene, but they are hiding something.
 

Thos.Jefferson

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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
From the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania
Includes 5 photos in the text, with links to 9.

More discussion, including a reminder that his mother was an American citizen, so he automatically is, no matter where he was born.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html

An interesting analysis of how tampering would show up (but hasn't):
http://xenon.arcticus.com/barack-obama-birth-certificate-image-tampering-analysis

Here's Snopes, though many 'birthers' think they're part of the Great Conspiracy:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
The reference 9 articles.

Or you could do your own Google:
["barack obama" "birth certificate" scan]

NO NO NO!!! In the era of the Founders, under Common Law, which We are guaranteed, the definition of a Natural Born citizen deals with not where YOU were born but the country that your FATHER was a citizen/subject of. That being said IF Barry's biological father was a subject of the Crown then so is Barry and is thereby disqualified from being the POTUS.
 

eye95

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United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898):

It thus clearly appears that by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country, and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, and the jurisdiction of the English sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born. III. The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established.
 
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