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    "Gun control is needed now" editorial opinion - Westport News

    Read it for yourself:

    http://www.westport-news.com/opinion...now-963849.php

    My response I am sending in the format of a letter to the editor:

    In response to Woody Klein's column "Gun control is needed now" article:


    Please let us not use the Arizona shootings as a platform for more in-effective gun control measures. I believe the real lesson to be learned from situations like the shootings in Arizona, Columbine, etc... is that these horrible incidents are not a matter of gun control. It is far more relevant to question how we identify and help those that have psychological problems. In the case of the AZ shooting, there was a breakdown of the system which failed to allow an obviously disturbed young man to receive the help he so desperately needed. From the news reports I've read, it was known to faculty and other students at his college that Jared Loughner had mental problems. The real issue here is why didn't he get help? You are fooling yourself if you think further gun control is going to stop rampages like this. Mass murderers will simply change their methodology to adapt. Contrary to Mr. Klein's opinion, people will always find ways to kill others effectively and horrendously even in the complete absence of firearms (improvised explosive devices, using vehicles for weapons, poison/chemical weapons etc...). No matter how much you "lock down" a society you are going to have people that kill other people. Look at prisons for instance. No weapons allowed, right? Do inmates find creative ways of killing each other effectively in a completely "locked down" facility? Of course they do.

    Mr. Klein states that "I cannot for the life of me understand why anybody would want-or need-a gun". I really do respect his right to this opinion (and I would defend his right of free speech for everything he stated in his article). You are not required to understand the need. However, we are all legally bound to follow our Constitution which includes the 2nd Amendment. Mr. Klein also states, "Guns Kill", "It's just that simple". Well, er, yes, they do kill. But you have to look at the context (perhaps someone was killed to save other lives). For me, a gun is an equalizer against someone (or animal for that matter) that may cause me, my family, or fellow citizens grave bodily harm or death. Let’s make up a scenario for the sake of making this point: A woman is walking down the street. She is 5'7 and weighs 130 pounds. Due to strict gun control, she is not allowed to carry a pistol on her person. She is attacked by a man who is 6'3 and weighs 230 lbs wielding a baseball bat who has vocalized his intent to kill her and starts swinging. What are the odds of her winning this confrontation? Hopefully she has martial arts training she can fall back on but the odds are against her (plus not everyone is Bruce Lee). Now, what if she is armed? This levels the disparity of force and will give her a better chance of surviving the encounter (perhaps after she draws her firearm with the intention of stopping her attacker, he flees? This is the best outcome and happens more often than you think). Why does someone want to lawfully carry a pistol? Simply because they want to have the ability to save their own life or that of someone else. I don’t want to be in a situation where I stare blankly at my killer with no options and let them have their way. I want the ability to try and stop the attack. I owe my family that.

    In regards to the statistics quoted in the article, did you know that of those 30,000 deaths due to firearms that half are due to suicide? Furthermore, a number of studies have been conducted which found that suicide rates would remain the same regardless of the presence or absence of firearms. As for accidental death rates versus firearms, you are four times more likely to burn to death or drown. You are 17 times more likely to be poisoned. You are 53 times more likely to die in a car accident. Guess how many deaths are attributed to medical mistakes every year? Try 400,000. People should be much more worried about getting surgery done versus getting shot. What I'm trying to get at is that there is a lot of fear mongering and misinformation out there in regards to firearms especially when those statistics quoted are being provided by gun control lobbyists/activists who’s careers depend on spreading misinformation and fear. People need to take a lot of these statistics with a grain of salt until they drill them down further or gain a better understanding of the context of how they are used.

    At the end of the day, the right to bear arms is written into our country's founding documents. Period. Whether you like it or not. This right has been upheld by our highest courts. With that being stated, I believe that discourse is a good thing and that people should be allowed to state their opinion. Just don't infringe upon the rights of lawful firearm ownership.
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    Well done. Hopefully you didn't waste your time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt. Kabukiman N.Y.P.D. View Post
    Read it for yourself:

    http://www.westport-news.com/opinion...now-963849.php

    My response I am sending in the format of a letter to the editor:

    In response to Woody Klein's column "Gun control is needed now" article:


    Please let us not use the Arizona shootings as a platform for more in-effective gun control measures. I believe the real lesson to be learned from situations like the shootings in Arizona, Columbine, etc... is that these horrible incidents are not a matter of gun control. It is far more relevant to question how we identify and help those that have psychological problems. In the case of the AZ shooting, there was a breakdown of the system which failed to allow an obviously disturbed young man to receive the help he so desperately needed. From the news reports I've read, it was known to faculty and other students at his college that Jared Loughner had mental problems. The real issue here is why didn't he get help? You are fooling yourself if you think further gun control is going to stop rampages like this. Mass murderers will simply change their methodology to adapt. Contrary to Mr. Klein's opinion, people will always find ways to kill others effectively and horrendously even in the complete absence of firearms (improvised explosive devices, using vehicles for weapons, poison/chemical weapons etc...). No matter how much you "lock down" a society you are going to have people that kill other people. Look at prisons for instance. No weapons allowed, right? Do inmates find creative ways of killing each other effectively in a completely "locked down" facility? Of course they do.

    Mr. Klein states that "I cannot for the life of me understand why anybody would want-or need-a gun". I really do respect his right to this opinion (and I would defend his right of free speech for everything he stated in his article). You are not required to understand the need. However, we are all legally bound to follow our Constitution which includes the 4th Amendment. Mr. Klein also states, "Guns Kill", "It's just that simple". Well, er, yes, they do kill. But you have to look at the context (perhaps someone was killed to save other lives). For me, a gun is an equalizer against someone (or animal for that matter) that may cause me, my family, or fellow citizens grave bodily harm or death. Letís make up a scenario for the sake of making this point: A woman is walking down the street. She is 5'7 and weighs 130 pounds. Due to strict gun control, she is not allowed to carry a pistol on her person. She is attacked by a man who is 6'3 and weighs 230 lbs wielding a baseball bat who has vocalized his intent to kill her and starts swinging. What are the odds of her winning this confrontation? Hopefully she has martial arts training she can fall back on but the odds are against her (plus not everyone is Bruce Lee). Now, what if she is armed? This levels the disparity of force and will give her a better chance of surviving the encounter (perhaps after she draws her firearm with the intention of stopping her attacker, he flees? This is the best outcome and happens more often than you think). Why does someone want to lawfully carry a pistol? Simply because they want to have the ability to save their own life or that of someone else. I donít want to be in a situation where I stare blankly at my killer with no options and let them have their way. I want the ability to try and stop the attack. I owe my family that.

    In regards to the statistics quoted in the article, did you know that of those 30,000 deaths due to firearms that half are due to suicide? Furthermore, a number of studies have been conducted which found that suicide rates would remain the same regardless of the presence or absence of firearms. As for accidental death rates versus firearms, you are four times more likely to burn to death or drown. You are 17 times more likely to be poisoned. You are 53 times more likely to die in a car accident. Guess how many deaths are attributed to medical mistakes every year? Try 400,000. People should be much more worried about getting surgery done versus getting shot. What I'm trying to get at is that there is a lot of fear mongering and misinformation out there in regards to firearms especially when those statistics quoted are being provided by gun control lobbyists/activists whoís careers depend on spreading misinformation and fear. People need to take a lot of these statistics with a grain of salt until they drill them down further or gain a better understanding of the context of how they are used.

    At the end of the day, the right to bear arms is written into our country's founding documents. Period. Whether you like it or not. This right has been upheld by our highest courts. With that being stated, I believe that discourse is a good thing and that people should be allowed to state their opinion. Just don't infringe upon the rights of lawful firearm ownership.
    Nicely put, but over the capability of the moron who wrote the tripe to understand. Cars kill, too, by his logic. So let's control the manufacture of them and who can have one. My experience in replying to columns is that they won't print something which is more logical, better written or more truthful than the originator's. Yours fits that definition.

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    It's not gun control we need...

    We need EDITORIAL control now!

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    Thanks for the support. I'm happy to report that they did print the article which surprised me. I'm sure there will be a lot of people here that won't be happy about what I wrote (people seem to be fairly anti-gun in Westport). Well, at least I was able to deliver my $.02.
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    Read the last few posts on who needs a gun in Australia. We desprately need guns.

    You probably know by now that guns were banned in Australia by the Howard Liberal Government. Any form of armed self defence is also illegal here. Our own armed police are beginning to bitterly complain that they are sick and tired of being physically attacked in the streets whilst doing their job.

    Sorce; Read the last few posts in the thread "Who needs a gun in Australia?" on this board.

    "Mr. Klein states that "I cannot for the life of me understand why anybody would want-or need-a gun".
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    Maybe the woman who's home was broken into yesterday, and her 17 year old daughter was raped, and the mother was stabbed 10 times trying to fight off the raping knife wielding home invader. Maybe she may of wanted or needed a gun Mr Klein??

    We desperately need our guns back, down under Mr Klein. Things have gotten far worse since gun control was forced upon us. Home invasions by rapists was unheard of in Australia before gun control. Now its an every day occurence. Criminals have been enabled by unthinking, uncaring people like you and your adgenda.

    Maybe you would like to come down under for a few weeks, 'unarmed of corse,' and see how things have progressed since gun control was forced upon us. The only people who handed in their guns were law abiding citizens. Not one criminal handed in any firearms here. Do you think criminals in the USA would hand theirs in if gun control were to be introduced there?

    Haz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haz. View Post
    You probably know by now that guns were banned in Australia by the Howard Liberal Government. Any form of armed self defence is also illegal here. Our own armed police are beginning to bitterly complain that they are sick and tired of being physically attacked in the streets whilst doing their job.

    Sorce; Read the last few posts in the thread "Who needs a gun in Australia?" on this board.

    .

    Maybe the woman who's home was broken into yesterday, and her 17 year old daughter was raped, and the mother was stabbed 10 times trying to fight off the raping knife wielding home invader. Maybe she may of wanted or needed a gun Mr Klein??

    We desperately need our guns back, down under Mr Klein. Things have gotten far worse since gun control was forced upon us. Home invasions by rapists was unheard of in Australia before gun control. Now its an every day occurence. Criminals have been enabled by unthinking, uncaring people like you and your adgenda.

    Maybe you would like to come down under for a few weeks, 'unarmed of corse,' and see how things have progressed since gun control was forced upon us. The only people who handed in their guns were law abiding citizens. Not one criminal handed in any firearms here. Do you think criminals in the USA would hand theirs in if gun control were to be introduced there?

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    Haz,

    Sorry to hear thing have been so rough in Australia. My wife and her family are from South Africa and vacation quite a lot in your country. I was talking to one of her cousins the other day and we got to talking about concealed carry (which is legal in SA). He mentioned that a couple of his friends who are from Australia cannot own guns now and said that the crime rates have risen significantly. One of his friends is in a band in Sydney and said that he is very nervous going to gigs in The Cross as he can't carry anymore. Hopefully, the government will wake up eventually once some political pressure has been put on....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haz. View Post
    You probably know by now that guns were banned in Australia by the Howard Liberal Government. Any form of armed self defence is also illegal here. Our own armed police are beginning to bitterly complain that they are sick and tired of being physically attacked in the streets whilst doing their job.

    Sorce; Read the last few posts in the thread "Who needs a gun in Australia?" on this board.

    .

    Maybe the woman who's home was broken into yesterday, and her 17 year old daughter was raped, and the mother was stabbed 10 times trying to fight off the raping knife wielding home invader. Maybe she may of wanted or needed a gun Mr Klein??

    We desperately need our guns back, down under Mr Klein. Things have gotten far worse since gun control was forced upon us. Home invasions by rapists was unheard of in Australia before gun control. Now its an every day occurence. Criminals have been enabled by unthinking, uncaring people like you and your adgenda.

    Maybe you would like to come down under for a few weeks, 'unarmed of corse,' and see how things have progressed since gun control was forced upon us. The only people who handed in their guns were law abiding citizens. Not one criminal handed in any firearms here. Do you think criminals in the USA would hand theirs in if gun control were to be introduced there?

    Haz.
    Australia is the one country that has fought side by side with us in every war for the past 100 years, including Viet Nam. I love Aussies and what has happened in the country sickens me. But--you can bring back your freedoms. You have elections and a PM from the majority party, so you need to start pushing the Conservatives to pledge to give back that which was foolishly taken from you based on one criminal incident and have a putative PM that will do it. It takes hard work and activism, plus guts--something I've never found lacking in those from Oz. Start small, but start. Freedom begins with one step. There is a leader out there somewhere. You need to find him and rally to him.
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