ok is this guy on here? orem man with open carry at mall.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=14078120

I saw this and well feel personally this was the wrong way to show our rights and with what we are trying to get passed this year. BAD CALL! its been a while for me to be on here but I wanted to read about this and no one has posted it so here is the start to the post.

I have exercised my rights I know we all have but, its baby steps to get everyone back knowing thats its ok to open carry firearms in Utah.

I hope to hear from Jensen on this post.

I agree that this person may have possibly gone to far with trying to excercise his rights. We have to think about how people will react to us carrying a firearm in the open. I have opened carried from Orem to Ogden area where I live now. I think that carrying a AR type rifle could possible push things over the edge and hurt what we are tying to do. Do I think that we should be able to do what that man did, yes I do, but the leos and people in our communites may not be prepared for that yet.

Well I don't think he should have been on private property...but the incident certainly isn't a Disorderly Conduct. Gotta give him props for guts and initiative. Regardless of opinions on the issue. Repeated acts like that will begin to desensitize people.

Carrying the Rifle was a little overboard even for me.

Openly Carrying a Loaded Rifle in a Mall is PERFECTLY LEGAL in Utah, and we SHOULD Support His Actions!

The Law is THE LAW, NOT Personnal Opinions!

What Utah NEEDS to do is Enact a Defensive Display Law, similiar to what Arizona has done.

This is the third encounter of this man with police doing the same thing. They should know by now who he is and that upon seeing him, they could handle the situation differently. They choose to treat him as a criminal: hence, the handcuffs. They said he was not breaking any law. That's the third time they knew he was not breaking any law. Then why harass him and cuff him?

The LE could ask any caller with MWAG call to ask what the person is doing. If he is doing nothing illegal, the LE could inform the caller that the person is not breaking any law.

It is not an assault rifle. Those are illegal. He obviously would have been arrested if the police "knew" it was an assault rifle. It is unconscionable for the LE to call it an assault rifle; it only makes the public more apprehensive. It is my belief the LE and especially the media use that term to make the public more afraid and get them to support legislation against OC.

If you don't like carrying a rifle while OCing, then don't. It is not illegal to do so anymore than it is illegal for you to OC a pistol or revolver.

I am not advocating carrying long arms. I am advocating equality. You OC the way you want, and let others OC the way they want. The aim is to get the public used to seeing law-abiding citizens carrying firearms.

I am for police encounters where the LE respect the rights of the OCer. The public can see the interaction, and when the public see the police release the OCer and let him/her go on his/her way, the public begin to see it is legal. Apprehension begins to subside. We have two main problems, LE that don't give one moments hesitation about walking all over our rights and the the lying, left-wing, socialists media. The sheeple follow them over the cliff.

How do you prosecute someone for disorderly conduct when they are quietly walking around obeying the law? What if a large black man was walking around the mall and several people called and said they were frightened and scared? Could he be prosecuted for disorderly conduct? That just seems like the police harassing they guy because they don't like what he did.

I understand what the guy was trying to do. I really do support his intentions, but I think this is more likely to have negative repercussions than positive ones. You need to get people used to seeing citizens open carrying handguns before bringing rifles into the mix. At first I actually thought the guy was more likely to be an anti-open carry advocate trying to show why the law was bad and that some limits need to be set.

So called Assault Rifles are NOT Illegal, be it 10 Round Clips or 100 Round Barrel Magazines..., well they are NOT Illegal as of Press Time of this Post.

The Federal Government is Aspiring to Reinstate The Assualt Weapons Ban that began during Clinton's Administration and Ended under Bush's Administration.

The ATF is already trying to Enforce their own Rule, but it was Blocked.

yo101jimmy said:

I hope to hear from Jensen on this post.

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Now is not the right time, nor is University Mall the right place. Do I support Mr. Taylor's actions? ABSOLUTELY!

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It's been so long since I logged in, I had to re-register--
I'm soooo proud of this guy!!!
Intelligent, impressive, Good head on his shoulders!

GOOD LORD!

Brimstone said:

I understand what the guy was trying to do.

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I DON'T understand what he was trying to do. When I'm out and about, the gun I carry is loaded. My main reason for carrying is for protection of me and mine, and secondarily to help educate the public. I would still be legal open carrying with the magazine full and the chamber empty (as per the Utah version of unloaded).

This guy was carrying a rifle and handgun with no ammo anywhere on his person. Yes, legal (as far as the Utah firearms laws are concerned), but where's the protection in that? His ONLY motive seems to be to be obnoxious enough to get himself stopped by a LEO and stir the pot.

We're on the verge of (hopefully) getting non-permit concealed and open carry in Utah, and his actions are not helping to further that agenda. In addition, he's been charged with disorderly conduct. I don't think he can be convicted of that, but if he is, or if the upcoming session of the legislature gets agitated enough, there could be a setback there too.

Kevin Jensen said:

Now is not the right time, nor is University Mall the right place. Do I support Mr. Taylor's actions? ABSOLUTELY!

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I do support Mr Taylors actions. We all need to just be careful in where and how we excerecise rights. We want to make things better not scare the public or create bad relations with the public.

i disagree with what that did simply because it isnt necessary
it hasnt been all that long since the arizona thing happened the genral public is scared of firearms plain and simple. to go walking around with what 50% of the people would think is a machine gun while the still have a shooting fresh on their mind was un called for and iresponsible
we as gun owners need to convey a message of safty and security not be toting around half of our arsinal down the street or at a mall.
now would be a good time to find away to clean up the black eye we have and possibly make a statement to prove that the rest of us that carry do it with respect to others and sensibility. i think instead of trying to make a huge statement like that we need to focus more or smaller things like soccer games or tee ball. causual and friendly encounters that allow people to be relaxed and open
i cary and would still eyeball this guy like a hawk if i had seen him struting around the university mall

This man needs to be careful. LEO's are taught to be uncomfortable around firearms that are not held my LEO's.

Yes, he is within the law, and was just walking around, but come on, let's get real here people.

The charges won't stick.

aadvark said:

The Law is THE LAW, NOT Personnal Opinions!

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aadvark said:

The Law is THE LAW, NOT Personnal Opinions!

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will we all say the same thing when our rights and freedoms (even the ones that let us carry) are taken and we are unjustly subject to laws that go against the fundamentals of the constitution ?
well wouldnt that be a kick in the pants to have have to stand there while you are getting robbed cause you have no way to defend your self or be arrested for trying to protect your self ( kinda happens now!!) all because a few idiots wanted to push their (every one elses) freedoms to an extreme and boldly display his/her single mindedness??? "DONT TREAD ON MY RIGHTS". dont loose them for me.
how many times did martin Luther king where shirts that say "down with whitey" ??? he could have it would have been within his rights BUT he used common sense. what about Gandhi or the apartheid??
this whole game with politics isnt even at half time yet so theres no point to get so desperate that you could help the other team out all for a day or two of publicity, or to "help get the word out"
if you want to help do some thing constructive like make stickers, talk to people, organize a news letter or post fliers at the grocery for open carriers party at a public park. organize a march or a parade.
please dont tote your guns around in a way that makes you look like a drunk or high lunatic. you can get plastered with all your freinds and have a puking contest in the front yard too but why ????? "cause i can" would be the same response that an immature and unintellectual teenager would give for the same two questions.

aadvark said:

Openly Carrying a Loaded Rifle in a Mall is PERFECTLY LEGAL in Utah, and we SHOULD Support His Actions!

The Law is THE LAW, NOT Personnal Opinions!

What Utah NEEDS to do is Enact a Defensive Display Law, similiar to what Arizona has done.

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Law yeah, but agreeing with Jensen not the time. You are on the right track with Utah needing to be on lines with Arizona but we wont get there with jumps like this. Keep it cool like we and keep doing what we have been doing. I would like to know why caring any rife in public settings like that is needed. other than being pushy, small arms yes large arms a bit over kill I disagree with any charges on this man and disagree with his actions.

Kevin Jensen said:

Now is not the right time, nor is University Mall the right place. Do I support Mr. Taylor's actions? ABSOLUTELY!

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I would think you would disagree with these actions.

yo101jimmy said:

I would think you would disagree with these actions.

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I think he could have been a bit more mindful of the time and location of his actions, but that is the limit of criticism he'll receive from me.

...unless he's an "anti" that did this to set a precedent with a disorderly conduct charge, then he might deserve a kick in the nuts. I doubt this is the case.

many people do not realize that what this man did , did not break any laws... they saw him carrying and called the police... the police reacted poorly, they cuffed and embarrassed the man, then let him go without charge. this in itself is a statement that people should take note of.

he broke no law!

like what he did, like his motives or not... the message is getting out there.

hopefully people will realize and react correctly to support rights rather than further try to restrict them...but in today's political climate..who knows