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    Lightbulb Let's get together and write the freedom to carry bill we WANT to see!

    After calling my representative today and talking to a member of his staff, the staff member caught me off gaurd when he asked me if I had a proposed bill. Well; I thought, "why not?!".

    So, I'm starting this thread for us to write our own bill and make it look as professional as possible. I've already started and will post what I've got in the second post in this thread. Why not take an active role and give them the bill that we want!?
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    1 An Act to repeal 23.33 (3)(e), 29.089, (2), 941.23, 941.235, 941.237, 941.24; to amend 939.22
    2 (10), to repeal and recreate 948.605, 167.31 and to create xx.xx of the statues; relating to: the
    3 common law right and the Wisconsin and United States constitutionally recognized rights to
    4 carry and use a weapon for self defense.
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    The people of the state of Wisconsin, represented in the senate and assemble, do enact as follows.
    1 Section 1. 23.33 (3)(e) of the statutes is repealed.
    2 Section 2. 29.089 (2) of the statutes is repealed.
    3 Section 3. 167.31 of the statutes is repealed and recreated to read:
    4 167.31 Safe use and transportation of firearms and bows.
    5 (1) DEFINITIONS. In this section:
    6 (a) “Aircraft” has the meaning given under s. 114.002 (3).
    7 (c) “Firearm” means a weapon that acts by force of gunpowder.
    8 (d) “Highway” has the meaning given under s. 340.01 (22).
    9 (f) “Peace officer” has the meaning given in s. 939.22 (22).
    10 (g) “Private security person” has the meaning given in s. 440.26 (1m) (h).
    11 (h) “Roadway” has the meaning given under s. 340.01 (54).
    12 (i) “Street” means a highway that is within the corporate limits of a city or village.
    13 (j) “Transmission facility” means any pipe, pipeline, duct, wire, cable, line, conduit, pole, tower,
    14 equipment, or other structure used to transmit or distribute electricity to or for the public or
    15 to transmit or distribute communications or data to or from the public.
    16 (k) “Vehicle” has the meaning given for “motor vehicle” in s. 29.001 (57).
    17 (2) PROHIBITIONS; HIGHWAYS AND ROADWAYS.
    18 (a) Except as provided in sub. (5) (a), (b), (c), (d), (g), and (h),no person may discharge a firearm
    19 or shoot a bolt or an arrow from a bow or crossbow from or across a highway.
    20 (b) A person who violates pars. (a) is subject to a forfeiture of not more than $100.
    21 (3) PROHIBITIONS; AIRCRAFT.
    22 (a) Except as provided in sub. (4), no person may discharge a firearm or shoot a bolt or an arrow
    23 from a bow or crossbow in or from an aircraft.
    24 (b) A person who violates par. (a) shall be fined not more than $1,000 or imprisoned not
    25 more than 90 days or both.
    26 (4) PROHIBITIONS; TRANSMISSION FACILITIES.
    27 (a) Except as provided in sub. (5) (a), (b) and (c), no person may intentionally discharge a firearm
    28 in the direction of a transmission facility.
    29 (b) A person who violates par. (a) and causes damage to a transmission facility is subject to a
    30 forfeiture of not more than $100.
    31 (c) In addition to any forfeiture imposed under par. (b), the court shall revoke any hunting
    32 license under ch. 29 that is issued to the person found in violation for a period of one year.
    33 (d) In addition to any forfeiture imposed under par. (b) and the revocation required under par.
    34 (c), the court shall enter a restitution order that requires the defendant to pay to the owner of
    35 The transmission facility the reasonable cost of the repair or replacement of the transmission
    36 facility.
    37 (5) EXCEPTIONS.
    38 (a) Subsections (2) and (3) do not apply to any of the following who, in the line of duty, or
    39 During an act of lawful self defense, discharge a firearm from or across a highway, street or
    40 roadway:
    41 1. Any citizen who may lawfully possess a firearm under the Wisconsin state statutes.
    42 2. A member of the U.S. armed forces.
    43 3. A member of the national guard.
    44 4. A peace officer.
    45 5. A private security person who meets all of the following requirements:
    46 a. He or she holds either a private detective license issued
    47 under s. 440.26 (2) (a) 2. or a private security permit issued under
    48 s. 440.26 (5).
    49 b. He or she holds a certificate of proficiency to carry a firearm issued by the department of
    50 regulation and licensing.
    51 c. He or she is performing his or her assigned duties or responsibilities.
    52 d. He or she is wearing a uniform that clearly identifies him or her as a private security person.
    53 e. His or her firearm is in plain view, as defined by rule by the department of regulation and
    54 licensing.
    55 (b) Subsection (4) does not apply to the holder of a scientific research license under s.169.25 or
    56 a scientific collector permit under s. 29.614 who is using a net gun or tranquilizer gun in an
    57 activity related to the purpose for which the license or permit was issued.
    58 (c) Subsection (2) (a) does not apply to a state employee or agent, or to a federal employee or
    59 agent, who is acting within the scope of his or her employment or agency, who is authorized by
    60 the department of natural resources to take animals in the wild for the purpose of controlling
    61 the spread of disease in animals and who is hunting in an area designated by the department of
    62 natural resources as a chronic wasting disease eradication zone, except that this subdivision
    63 does not authorize the discharge of a firearm or the shooting of a bolt or arrow from a bow or
    64 crossbow across a state trunk highway, county trunk highway, or paved town highway.
    65 (d) Subsection (2) (a) does not apply to aholder of a Class A or Class B permit under s. 29.193 (2)
    66 who is hunting from a stationary vehicle may load and discharge a firearm or shoot a bolt or an
    67 arrow within 50 feet of the center of a roadway if all of the following apply:
    68 1. The roadway is part of a county highway, a town highway or any other highway that is not
    69 part of a street or of a state trunk or federal highway.
    70 2. The vehicle is located off the roadway and is not in violation of any prohibition or restriction
    71 that applies to the parking, stopping or standing of the vehicle under ss. 346.51 to 346.55 or
    72 under a regulation enacted under s. 349.06 or 349.13.
    73 3. The holder of the permit is not hunting game to fill the tag of another person.
    74 4. The holder of the permit has obtained permission from any person who is the owner or lessee
    75 of private property across or on to which the holder of the permit intends to discharge a firearm
    76 or shoot a bolt or an arrow.
    77 5. The vehicle bears special registration plates issued under s. 341.14 (1), (1a), (1e), or (1m) or
    78 displays a sign that is at least 11 inches square on which is conspicuously written “disabled
    79 hunter”.
    80 6. The holder of the permit discharges the firearm or shoots the bolt or arrow away from and
    81 not across or parallel to the roadway.
    82 (e) For the purposes of pars (d) , a person may stop a vehicle off the roadway on the left side of
    83 the highway.
    84 (f) For the purposes of par. (d) 4., “private property” does not include property leased for
    85 hunting by the public, land that is subject to a contract under subch. I of ch. 77, or land that is
    86 subject to an order designating it as managed forest land under subch. VI of ch. 77 and that is
    87 not designated as closed to the public under s. 77.83 (1).
    88 (g) Subsection (2) (a) does not apply to a person who is legally hunting small game with a
    89 muzzle−loading firearm or with a shotgun loaded with shotshell or chilled shot number BB
    90 or smaller, if the surface of the highway or roadway is anything other than concrete or blacktop.
    91 (h) A person who is fishing with a bow and arrow may shoot an arrow from a bow within 50 feet
    92 of the center of a roadway if the person does not shoot the arrow from the roadway or across
    93 a highway.
    94
    95 Section 4. 931.23 of the statutes is repealed.
    96 Section 5. 931.235 of the statutes is repealed.
    97 Section 6. 931.237 of the statutes is repealed.
    98 Section 7. 931.24 of the statutes is repealed.
    99 Section 8. 939.22 (10) of the statutes is amended to read:
    100 (10) “Dangerous weapon” means any loaded firearm, whether
    101 loaded or unloaded
    ; any device designed as a weapon and capable
    102 of producing death or great bodily harm; any ligature or other
    103 instrumentality used on the throat, neck, nose, or mouth of another
    104 person to impede, partially or completely, breathing or circulation
    105 of blood; any electric weapon, as defined in s. 941.295 (4); or any
    106 other device or instrumentality which, in the manner it is used or
    107 intended to be used, is calculated or likely to produce death or
    108 great bodily harm.
    109 Section 9. 948.605 of the statues is repealed and recreated to read:
    110 948.605 Firearms and school zones
    111 (1) DEFINITIONS. In this section:
    112 (a) “Firearm” does not include any beebee or pellet-firing gun that expels a projectile through the force of air pressure or any starter pistol.
    113 (b) “School” has the meaning given in s. 948.61 (1)(b).
    114 (c) “School zone” means in or on the grounds of a school.
    115 (2) COMMISSION OF A CRIME IN A SCHOOL ZONE.
    116 (a) Any individual who uses a firearm in commission of a crime in a school zone is guilty of a
    117 Class I felony.
    118 (3) Establishment of individual licensure.
    119 In consideration that the right to keep and bear arms is protected and reserved to the people in
    120 Article I, section 25, of the Wisconsin constitution and by the second amendment of the United
    121 States constitution, a person who has not been convicted of a violent, felony crime and who is
    122 lawfully able to own or to possess a firearm under the Wisconsin constitution is considered to
    123 be individually licensed and verified by the state of Wisconsin within the meaning of the
    124 Provisions regarding individual licensure and verification in the federal Gun-Free School Zones
    125 Act.
    126 Section 10. Xx.xx of the statues is created to read:
    127 Xx.xx Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.
    128 (1) DEFINITIONS. In this section:
    129 (a) “Dwelling” means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch,
    130 whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has
    131 a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night.
    132 (b) “Residence” means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest.
    133 (c) “Vehicle” means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.
    134 (2) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great
    135 bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely
    136 to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
    137 (a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and
    138 forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied
    139 vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that
    140 person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
    141 (b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and
    142 forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.
    143 (3) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:
    144 (a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful
    145 resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there
    146 is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order
    147 of no contact against that person; or
    148 (b) The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the
    149 lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive
    150 force is used; or
    151 (c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the
    152 dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or
    153 (d) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer who
    154 enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her
    155 official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law
    156 or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or
    157 attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer.
    158 (4) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place
    159 where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her
    160 ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is
    161 necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to
    162 prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
    163 (5) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling,
    164 residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful
    165 act involving force or violence.
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    8 (10) “Dangerous weapon” means any loaded firearm or any
    14 other device or instrument which, in the manner it is used or
    15 intended to be used, is intended to produce death or
    16 great bodily harm.
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    When in danger you can dial 911 and hope for the police to arrive a few minutes later armed with guns.
    Why do police carry guns?

    The Joyce Foundation funded firearm control empire:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flipper View Post
    8 (10) “Dangerous weapon” means any loaded firearm or any
    14 other device or instrument which, in the manner it is used or
    15 intended to be used, is intended to produce death or
    16 great bodily harm.
    Ahh... when I copied and pasted it, the forum lost the strikeout text. I'll fix it.
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    Carry what you want, where you want, how you want, anytime you want.

    Done.
    In God I trust. Everyone else needs to keep your hands where I can see them.

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    A decision should be made as to whether this bill should include the optional permit to carry so that reciprocity with other states is possible.

    This would be important to satisfy those with that need.

    You've done well so far, thanks
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    someone please remember to add: No steenkin permits!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phred View Post
    A decision should be made as to whether this bill should include the optional permit to carry so that reciprocity with other states is possible.

    This would be important to satisfy those with that need.

    You've done well so far, thanks
    I would be all for OPTIONAL permit for use in other states. I currently pay for permits from other states, might as well keep my money in this state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phred View Post
    A decision should be made as to whether this bill should include the optional permit to carry so that reciprocity with other states is possible.

    This would be important to satisfy those with that need.

    You've done well so far, thanks
    Quote Originally Posted by NakedOne View Post
    I would be all for OPTIONAL permit for use in other states. I currently pay for permits from other states, might as well keep my money in this state.
    I'm kind of leaning towards keeping this bill clean and letting the CCW instructors and others write their own reciprocity bill at a later date. Besides, they’d be better at it as far as knowing all of the requirements to get reciprocity with the most states. Being that this bill creates no bureaucracy and can be implemented immediately upon the signature of the governor we can start exercising our freedom right away which is a good reason to keep it clean and simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brass Magnet View Post
    I'm kind of leaning towards keeping this bill clean and letting the CCW instructors and others write their own reciprocity bill at a later date. Besides, they’d be better at it as far as knowing all of the requirements to get reciprocity with the most states. Being that this bill creates no bureaucracy and can be implemented immediately upon the signature of the governor we can start exercising our freedom right away which is a good reason to keep it clean and simple.
    Yep, let's focus on Constitutional Carry in WI only at this point.

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    Thumbs up Great start! 948.605 is a thing of beauty!

    Quote Originally Posted by Brass Magnet View Post
    An Act to repeal 29.089 (2), 167.31, 941.23, 941.235, 941.237, 941.24; amend 939.22 (10), repeal and recreate 948.605 and to create xx.xx of the statues; relating to: the common law right and the Wisconsin and United States constitutionally recognized rights to carry and use a weapon for self defense.

    The people of the state of Wisconsin, represented in the senate and assemble, do enact as follows.
    Excellent work by Brass Magnet deleted to conserve space
    Excellent start! You've already done most of the heavy lifting! This document shows the correct form and so I have started to add the frills they expect.

    2011 Assembly Bill XX


    February 1, 2011 - Introduced by Representatives Smith, Smith, Smith, and Smith, cosponsored by Senators Jones, Jones, Jones, and Jones. Referred to the Joint Review Committee on Criminal Penalties.


    1
    AN ACT to repeal23.33 (3)(e), 29.089 (2), 167.31, 931.23, 931.235, 931.237, 931.24,
    2 to amend 931.22 (10) and to create
    948.605;
    3 relating to: Legalizing Concealed Carry of a Weapon (CCW) in the State of Wisconsin
    __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______________
    Analysis by Legislative Reference Bureau
    Goes Here...
    __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______________

    The people of the state of Wisconsin, represented in senate and assembly, do enact as follows:

    4 Section 1. 23.33 (3)(e)of the statutes is repealed.
    5 Section 2. 29.089 (2) of the statutes is repealed.
    6 Section 3. 167.31 of the statutes is repealed.
    7 Section 4. 931.23 of the statutes is repealed.
    8 Section 5. 931.235 of the statutes is repealed.
    9 Section 6. 931.237 of the statutes is repealed.
    10 Section 7. 931.24 of the statutes is repealed.
    11 Section 8. 939.22 (10) of the statutes is amended to read:
    12 (10) “Dangerous weapon” means any loaded firearm, whether
    13 loaded or unloaded
    ; any device designed as a weapon and capable
    14 of producing death or great bodily harm; any ligature or other
    15 instrumentality used on the throat, neck, nose, or mouth of another
    16 person to impede, partially or completely, breathing or circulation
    17 of blood; any electric weapon, as defined in s. 941.295 (4); or any
    18 other device or instrumentality which, in the manner it is used or
    19 intended to be used, is calculated or likely to produce death or
    20 great bodily harm.
    21 Section 9. 948.605 of the statues is created to read:
    22 948.605 Firearms and school zones
    23 (1) DEFINITIONS. In this section:
    24 (a) “Firearm” does not include any beebee or pellet-firing gun that expels a projectile through the fore of air pressure or any starter pistol.
    25 (b) “School” has the meaning given in s. 948.61 (1)(b).
    26 (c) “School zone” means in or on the grounds of a school.
    27 (2) COMMISSION OF A CRIME IN A SCHOOL ZONE.
    28 (a) Any individual who uses a firearm in commission of a crime in a school zone is guilty of a Class I felony.
    29 (3) Establishment of individual licensure.
    30 In consideration that the right to keep and bear arms is protected and reserved to the people in
    31 Article I, section 25, of the Wisconsin constitution and by the second amendment of the United
    32 States constitution, a person who has not been convicted of a violent, felony crime and who is
    33 lawfully able to own or to possess a firearm under the Wisconsin constitution is considered to
    34 be individually licensed and verified by the state of Wisconsin within the meaning of the
    35 Provisions regarding individual licensure and verification in the federal Gun-Free School Zones
    36 Act.
    37 Section 10. Xx.xx of the statues is created to read:
    38 Xx.xx Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.
    39 (1) DEFINITIONS. In this section:
    40 (a) “Dwelling” means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch,
    41 whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has
    42 a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night.
    43 (b) “Residence” means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest.
    44 (c) “Vehicle” means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.
    45 (2) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great
    46 bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely
    47 to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
    48 (a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and
    49 forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied
    50 vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that
    51 person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
    52 (b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and
    53 forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.
    54 (3) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:
    55 (a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful
    56 resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there
    57 is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order
    58 of no contact against that person; or
    59 (b) The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the
    60 lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive
    61 force is used; or
    62 (c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the
    63 dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or
    64 (d) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer who
    65 enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her
    66 official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law
    67 or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or
    68 attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer.
    69 (4) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place
    70 where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her
    71 ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is
    72 necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to
    73 prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
    74 (5) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling,
    75 residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful
    76 act involving force or violence.
    77
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    Quote Originally Posted by phred View Post
    A decision should be made as to whether this bill should include the optional permit to carry so that reciprocity with other states is possible.

    This would be important to satisfy those with that need.

    You've done well so far, thanks
    Let's worry about that at another time. My feeling is that more states are moving towards Constitutional Carry, so the "need" for a permit will be obsolete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davegran View Post
    Excellent start! You've already done most of the heavy lifting! This document shows the correct form and so I have started to add the frills they expect.

    Thanks for the handy link davegran! I was actually using a current bill as a template and that's where I got the "repeal and recreate" See 2011 Assembly Bill 4

    I also just added a repeal for 23.33 (3)(e) (while on an ATV)
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    Good Job

    Excellent idea. You may want to think about contacting the NRA-ILA if your Rep is serious about it. Regardless I think it will be very helpful. I will try to give some suggestions when I have more time next week.

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    Nice job Brass Magnet! Nice Job!

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    Thumbs up Another good idea!

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    I also just added a repeal for 23.33 (3)(e) (while on an ATV)
    Good idea, Brass; I incorporated your change into my copy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brass Magnet View Post
    I'm kind of leaning towards keeping this bill clean and letting the CCW instructors and others write their own reciprocity bill at a later date. Besides, they’d be better at it as far as knowing all of the requirements to get reciprocity with the most states. Being that this bill creates no bureaucracy and can be implemented immediately upon the signature of the governor we can start exercising our freedom right away which is a good reason to keep it clean and simple.
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    Let's worry about that at another time. My feeling is that more states are moving towards Constitutional Carry, so the "need" for a permit will be obsolete.
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    Yep, let's focus on Constitutional Carry in WI only at this point.

    I am in agreement. I only posed the question to illicit opinion.

    I think you've done a fantastic job.

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    Well done, thanks for all the heavy lifting

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    Quote Originally Posted by phred View Post
    A decision should be made as to whether this bill should include the optional permit to carry so that reciprocity with other states is possible.

    This would be important to satisfy those with that need.

    You've done well so far, thanks
    Let's just do a true Constitutional Carry bill 1st.

    Let's also add the Montana wording so we get around the Federal GFSZ law.

    Establishment of individual licensure. In consideration that the right to keep and bear arms is protected and reserved to the people in Article 1, section 25, of the Wisconsin constitution, a person who has not been convicted of a violent, felony crime and who is lawfully able to own or to possess a firearm under the Wisconsin constitution is considered to be individually licensed and verified by the state of Wisconsin within the meaning of the provisions regarding individual licensure and verification in the federal Gun-Free School Zones Act.
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    Well done to everybody involved. I applaud your dedication and passion. No matter what the outcome you all can be proud of the fact you put the effort forth to make a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul@paul-fisher.com View Post
    Let's just do a true Constitutional Carry bill 1st.

    Let's also add the Montana wording so we get around the Federal GFSZ law.
    Did you read it? Its already there my friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brass Magnet View Post
    Did you read it? Its already there my friend.
    Sorry. I must of missed it. My bad.

    So, is that the final copy? If so, let's start sending it in. If not, what other tweaks are needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul@paul-fisher.com View Post
    Sorry. I must of missed it. My bad.

    So, is that the final copy? If so, let's start sending it in. If not, what other tweaks are needed.
    I don't know, that's why I put it up here so people could READ it and let me know of any mistakes or changes we should make. (Just giving you a hard time Paul)

    Seriously though, keep thinking guys and let me know if you come up with anything as far as mistakes, problems or additions.
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    No problem!!


    Anyhow, I thought we couldn't didn't want 167.31 repealed completely, just 167.31(2)(b) and 167.31(2)(c)

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    Wow - I'm impressed. Talk about taking the bull by the horns.

    Guess I'll have to forget all the things that I heard about you all, seems to me that you're a solid, well grounded and dedicated bunch.

    Now drive it home..
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