What on earth gave you the idea that I don't work or pay taxes? All I said was I got more of a refund under Obama than under Bush. Wow. Me paying a smaller percentage of my income in taxes is raping you?
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Saner Gun Laws?
- Thread starter Beretta92FSLady
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What on earth gave you the idea that I don't work or pay taxes? All I said was I got more of a refund under Obama than under Bush. Wow. Me paying a smaller percentage of my income in taxes is raping you?
Gentlemen, you can do better.
Honestly, this is meant to be a place to discuss issues surrounding guns, gun laws and especially 'open carry'.
One of the reasons many people don't like to see others with handguns is the idea that people who carry them might behave much as you are doing here; slinging insults and making silly claims, overreacting to comments and attempting to present your opinions on politics and morality as 'the one true way'.
I have seen people get into brawls over such things in the past, as many of us must have, so it's easy to see them fearing gun owners making the leap to a shooting, instead.
Please learn to control yourselves like the responsible adults that the constitution assumed you were when it made provision for you to be armed.
Honestly, this is meant to be a place to discuss issues surrounding guns, gun laws and especially 'open carry'.
One of the reasons many people don't like to see others with handguns is the idea that people who carry them might behave much as you are doing here; slinging insults and making silly claims, overreacting to comments and attempting to present your opinions on politics and morality as 'the one true way'.
I have seen people get into brawls over such things in the past, as many of us must have, so it's easy to see them fearing gun owners making the leap to a shooting, instead.
Please learn to control yourselves like the responsible adults that the constitution assumed you were when it made provision for you to be armed.
frommycolddeadhands
Regular Member
Right, because all of us 'right wingers' MUST have some sort of ridiculous racist nonsense reason for not supporting this administration.
There are petty people on both sides of the isle. I'm not a birther. I'm quite sure the FBI would have noticed if Barack Obama wasn't a citizen during his vetting process. I'm not a racist, I can think of quite a few people who would make a good president- and their race and/or gender doesn't weigh into that equation at all. And to be honest I have no idea what the president's religeous preference is, nor to I particularly care.
What I do care about is the man's agenda. I care about what he thinks the role of the government is. I care about how he plans to spend taxpayer dollars, and I care whether or not I can trust what the man says to be true.
I haven't liked a single bit of legislation that has been attached to this administration. The democratic supermajority made it too easy for them to slam bills through the system without even reading them, which is ridiculous no matter what party you belong to. I didn't like the bank bailouts, cash for clunkers, the stimulus packages, or the health care bill. I think he reacted badly to the oil spill in the gulf. I think he struck out trying to get the Olympics to happen on American soil. I think his plans to help the economy have failed, and the promises he made about jobs have yet to come through.
Finally, I think that deep down in his core he believes in big government. I think he truly believes that the Federal Gov't should have unlimited authority for the most part and that it should intervene into nearly every aspect of a persons life.
As for me, I believe in a limited government, and individual liberties. Fundamentally I hold a different view on the governments role in society, and do not agree with how taxpayer money is currently being spent, and I don't trust 90% of what he says because he acts more like a politician trying to get re-elected than the leader of the free world trying to do right by the people he governs.
All of the other junk (muslim, black, blah blah blah) is BS. I don't like his politics.
Gunslinger
Regular Member
And you would have lost it--and more, if the GOP didn't force the messiah to accept tax cut continuation which he will oppose, as I said in case you missed it, when he runs for reelection by his own statement. Change, blablabla; health care for all that somehow will be free, blablabla; leftwing ideologs in any position he can stick them, blablabla. If you like the marxist as you evidently do, fine. But don't look for much support on a gun forum for someone who has been anti-freedom with respect to the 2A AND other BoR's guarantees his whole fabricated career as a water boy to professed communist/stateists. I personally don't give a **** that he's a "halfbreed," born in Outer Mongolia or has dark skin. I oppose him based on his ideology. You leftwingers try your best to make anyone opposing the messiah out to be a racist, warmonger, redneck. The fact is you are incapable of reasoned debate because he is your messiah and you got an extra $200. You did for him so he did for you is how you rationalize. Maybe that big welfare check you dream about is just around the corner.
Gunslinger
Regular Member
Moving on is a good course of action when you have nothing to say of any value. Heil obama!
rodbender
Regular Member
When it is a targeted tax credit, yes. We are suppose to be equal, but it seems that some are more equal than others. We need to do away with the 16th amendment. That way the feds can't say, "Hey, Joe Q. Citizen, I'm going to give you a tax break.......if you do or buy what we want you to". All it is good for is social engineering and that is what the feds have been using it for since it's ratification. Besides that, it's one of the ten planks of the communists manifesto. Now tell me we are not moving toward socialism.
Easy
The USA is not moving towards socialism. COMMENTS REMOVED BY ADMINISTRATOR: Personal attack
Furthermore, it'd be a good thing if it did do so, but I seriously doubt you have any real understanding of either 'socialism' or 'communism' and your comments the links you have in your signature as well choice of avatar only reinforce that conviction.
Now, would you or anyone else care to remind me how this remotely impacts on the topic in the title or even anything at all to do with guns and open carry of firearms?
The USA is not moving towards socialism. COMMENTS REMOVED BY ADMINISTRATOR: Personal attack
Furthermore, it'd be a good thing if it did do so, but I seriously doubt you have any real understanding of either 'socialism' or 'communism' and your comments the links you have in your signature as well choice of avatar only reinforce that conviction.
Now, would you or anyone else care to remind me how this remotely impacts on the topic in the title or even anything at all to do with guns and open carry of firearms?
rodbender
Regular Member
Have you studied the communists manifesto? I certainly have and I can say without equivocation that we are almost there.
rodbender
Regular Member
It doesn't relate and you didn't have to join in.
frommycolddeadhands
Regular Member
Okay skippy, why don't you go ahead and explain to me exactly how communism and/or socialism would somehow be good for this country?
Is it the complete lack of individual freedom or the unchecked power of a central government?
NRAMARINE
Regular Member
Seeing as how many members here are military, and rather experienced and well versed in politics, law, and the constitution as they relate to firearms, I believe it is relevant. You see in every "communist, socialist," or totalitarian regime the first thing that is done is any and all possible opposition is either legislatively, or forcibly disarmed. This is one of the pillars of communism, making the people totally powerless, and dependant on the government. We understand communism and socialism just fine, and we reject it based on not only principle, but it's proven failure, and negative effect on individual liberty.
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eye95
Well-known member
There isn't much you need to know about socialism or communism to know that they are antithetical to our nation as it was founded and what made it great.
Under socialism and communism, the governmental system is responsible for ensuring whatever it defines as the welfare of the collective. This requires that primary power be vested in the government, with the required reduction in Liberty for individuals.
Under a free system, as we primarily have (but have strayed from), individuals are responsible for ensuring their own welfare, as they define it for themselves. This empowers the individual and requires that government be restrained, resulting in maximized Liberty within a governmental system.
To put it more simply, the more government infantilizes us, the less free we are.
Under socialism and communism, the governmental system is responsible for ensuring whatever it defines as the welfare of the collective. This requires that primary power be vested in the government, with the required reduction in Liberty for individuals.
Under a free system, as we primarily have (but have strayed from), individuals are responsible for ensuring their own welfare, as they define it for themselves. This empowers the individual and requires that government be restrained, resulting in maximized Liberty within a governmental system.
To put it more simply, the more government infantilizes us, the less free we are.
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
And the only way communism/socialism will ever work is by force. Which we see being done already, with our taxes, with healthcare, with the countless other entitlement programs that have been instituted.
All government and authority "only works by force", it's the elephant in the room when discussing any kind of legal system.
However, I think any further discussion of political systems would just be disruptive, to be honest and I ought not to have raised it in this thread at all. For this reason, I apologize and I shall not be discussing that further.
However, I think any further discussion of political systems would just be disruptive, to be honest and I ought not to have raised it in this thread at all. For this reason, I apologize and I shall not be discussing that further.
OldCurlyWolf
Regular Member
You certainly need one. Easier topic that is.
rodbender
Regular Member
From "The Official Leftist Playbook"
Chapter 12: Losing the Argument
"You will need to study this chapter in much detail and commit it to memory. You will find yourself in this position a lot. Most especially if you tangle with a conservative, constitutionalist, or a libertarian, or anybody else that has more than a few gray cells floating around in their skull."
Section 2, Subsection(a)
When losing the argument, you must remember that your best defense is to start name calling and demeaning everything you know about the person you are arguing with.